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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>,
	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jianyong Wu <jianyong.wu@outlook.com>,
	Yangyu Chen <cyy@cyyself.name>,
	Tingyin Duan <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
	Vern Hao <vernhao@tencent.com>, Vern Hao <haoxing990@gmail.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>,
	Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>, Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>,
	Adam Li <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>, Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>,
	Gavin Guo <gavinguo@igalia.com>,
	Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>,
	Libo Chen <libchen@purestorage.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Patch v4 17/22] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2026 14:55:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260409125517.GA3102924@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260409124642.GC3126523@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>


FWIW, I'm going to start auto-stripping *@gmail addresses soon. I'm
getting sick and tired of those bounces. If Google doesn't care, I can't
be arsed either.

On Thu, Apr 09, 2026 at 02:46:42PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2026 at 02:52:29PM -0700, Tim Chen wrote:
> > From: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
> > 
> > Prateek and Tingyin reported that memory-intensive workloads (such as
> > stream) can saturate memory bandwidth and caches on the preferred LLC
> > when sched_cache aggregates too many threads.
> > 
> > To mitigate this, estimate a process's memory footprint by comparing
> > its RSS (anonymous and shared pages) to the size of the LLC. If RSS
> > exceeds the LLC size, skip cache-aware scheduling.
> > 
> > Note that RSS is only an approximation of the memory footprint.
> > By default, the comparison is strict, but a later patch will allow
> > users to provide a hint to adjust this threshold.
> > 
> > According to the test from Adam, some systems do not have shared L3
> > but with shared L2 as clusters. In this case, the L2 becomes the LLC[1].
> 
> This is pretty terrible. If you want LLC size, add it to the topology
> information (and ideally integrate with RDT) and make proportional to
> cpumask size, such that if someone cuts the domain in pieces, they get
> proportional size etc.
> 
> Also, if we have NUMA_BALANCING on, that can provide a much better
> estimate for the actual size.
> 
> Just using RSS seems like a very bad metric here.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-09 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-01 21:52 [Patch v4 00/22] Cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 01/22] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2026-04-09 12:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 19:21     ` Tim Chen
2026-04-09 23:00       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 02/22] sched/cache: Limit the scan number of CPUs when calculating task occupancy Tim Chen
2026-04-09 13:17   ` Luo Gengkun
2026-04-09 13:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 03/22] sched/cache: Record per LLC utilization to guide cache aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 04/22] sched/cache: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 05/22] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 06/22] sched/cache: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 07/22] sched/cache: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 08/22] sched/cache: Introduce per CPU's tasks LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 09/22] sched/cache: Calculate the percpu sd task LLC preference Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 10/22] sched/cache: Count tasks prefering destination LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 11/22] sched/cache: Check local_group only once in update_sg_lb_stats() Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 12/22] sched/cache: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 13/22] sched/cache: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 14/22] sched/cache: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 15/22] sched/cache: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 16/22] sched/cache: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2026-04-09 12:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 19:27     ` Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 17/22] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2026-04-09 12:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 12:55     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 18/22] sched/cache: Enable cache aware scheduling for multi LLCs NUMA node Tim Chen
2026-04-09 13:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 19:39     ` Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 19/22] sched/cache: Allow the user space to turn on and off cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 20/22] sched/cache: Add user control to adjust the aggressiveness of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 21/22] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Display the per LLC occupancy for each process via proc fs Tim Chen
2026-04-01 21:52 ` [Patch v4 22/22] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add ftrace to track the load balance statistics Tim Chen
2026-04-09 13:54 ` [Patch v4 00/22] Cache aware scheduling Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-09 20:02   ` Tim Chen

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