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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: "Nitka, Grzegorz" <grzegorz.nitka@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 net-next 0/8] dpll/ice: Add TXC DPLL type and full TX reference clock control for E825
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2026 13:38:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260410133812.4cf9b090@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <IA1PR11MB62194BF52262FCEB7FD5E76D92592@IA1PR11MB6219.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Fri, 10 Apr 2026 14:23:58 +0000 Nitka, Grzegorz wrote:
> Here is the high-level connection diagram for E825 device. I hope you find it helpful:
> [..]

It does thanks a lot.

> Before this series, we tried different approaches.
> One of them was to create MUX pin associated with netdev interface.
> EXT_REF and SYNCE pins were registered with this MUX pin.
> However I recall there were at least two issues with this solution:
> - when using DPLL subsystem not all the connections/relations were visible
>   from DPLL pin-get perspective. RT netlink was required
> - due to mixing pins from different modules (like fwnode based pin from zl driver
>   and the pins from ice), we were not able to safely clean the references between
>   pins and dpll (basicaly .. we observed crashes)
> 
> Proposed solution just seems to be clean and fully reflects current
> connection topology.

Do you have the link to the old proposal that was adding stuff to
rtnetlink? I remember some discussion long-ish ago, maybe I was wrong.

> What's actually your biggest concern?
> The fact we introduce a new DPLL type? Or multiply DPLL instances? Or both?
> Do you prefer to see "one big" DPLL with 16 pins in our case (8 ports x 2 tx-clk pins)?
> Each pin with the name like, for example, PF0-SyncE/PF0-eRef etc.?

My concern is that I think this is a pretty run of the mill SyncE
design. If we need to pretend we have two DPLLs here if we really
only have one and a mux - then our APIs are mis-designed :(

      reply	other threads:[~2026-04-10 20:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-02 23:06 [PATCH v5 net-next 0/8] dpll/ice: Add TXC DPLL type and full TX reference clock control for E825 Grzegorz Nitka
2026-04-02 23:06 ` [PATCH v5 net-next 1/8] dpll: add new DPLL type for transmit clock (TXC) usage Grzegorz Nitka
2026-04-02 23:06 ` [PATCH v5 net-next 2/8] dpll: allow registering FW-identified pin with a different DPLL Grzegorz Nitka
2026-04-02 23:06 ` [PATCH v5 net-next 3/8] dpll: extend pin notifier and netlink events with notification source ID Grzegorz Nitka
2026-04-03 11:53   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-04-02 23:06 ` [PATCH v5 net-next 4/8] dpll: zl3073x: allow SyncE_Ref pin state change Grzegorz Nitka
2026-04-08  9:44   ` Ivan Vecera
2026-04-02 23:06 ` [PATCH v5 net-next 5/8] ice: introduce TXC DPLL device and TX ref clock pin framework for E825 Grzegorz Nitka
2026-04-02 23:06 ` [PATCH v5 net-next 6/8] ice: implement CPI support for E825C Grzegorz Nitka
2026-04-02 23:06 ` [PATCH v5 net-next 7/8] ice: add Tx reference clock index handling to AN restart command Grzegorz Nitka
2026-04-02 23:06 ` [PATCH v5 net-next 8/8] ice: implement E825 TX ref clock control and TXC hardware sync status Grzegorz Nitka
2026-04-07  2:23 ` [PATCH v5 net-next 0/8] dpll/ice: Add TXC DPLL type and full TX reference clock control for E825 Jakub Kicinski
2026-04-09 11:21   ` Nitka, Grzegorz
2026-04-10  1:10     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-04-10 14:23       ` Nitka, Grzegorz
2026-04-10 20:38         ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]

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