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From: Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>
To: Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@oss.qualcomm.com>
Cc: Konrad Dybcio <konradybcio@kernel.org>,
	Andreas Noever <andreas.noever@gmail.com>,
	Mika Westerberg <westeri@kernel.org>,
	Yehezkel Bernat <YehezkelShB@gmail.com>,
	usb4-upstream@oss.qualcomm.com, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] thunderbolt: debugfs: Don't stop reading SB registers if just one fails
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2026 16:44:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260410144415.GL3552@black.igk.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7d65539f-ece6-4e7c-a13e-6b12920346fa@oss.qualcomm.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 04:29:43PM +0200, Konrad Dybcio wrote:
> On 4/9/26 4:32 PM, Mika Westerberg wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 09, 2026 at 02:59:22PM +0200, Konrad Dybcio wrote:
> >> On 4/9/26 2:04 PM, Mika Westerberg wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >>> I assume you have tested this on a hardware that supports this too, right?
> >>
> >> Hardware that exposes that register this does not exercise the altered
> >> code path.
> > 
> > Well it may happen now that previously we got -EIO from some other register
> > and we stopped there, now this changes and we actually continue reading so
> > this definitely should be tested.
> 
> The only register before USB4_SB_GEN4_TXFFE that isn't in-spec for
> both retimers in v1.0 and v2.0 is USB4_SB_LRD_TUNING (0x07). The PS8830
> interestingly reports all zeroes (not a bounce).
> 
> The registers following USB4_SB_GEN4_TXFFE in the array are
> USB4_SB_VERSION and USB4_SB_DATA. The former is not accessed anywhere
> else in the code, at first glance. The latter is, during NVM r/w and
> in margining ops, which have definitely been in use for a long time.
> 
> Plus both of them are the v1.0 spec. The USB4_SB_GEN4_TXFFE specifically
> isn't (the retimer supplement pdf lists it as Rsvd, the main spec pdf
> omits it in the SB register table), as it wasn't previously useful (since
> Gen4 came about in v2.0).
> 
> 
> I don't think there's an easy way to limit the reading of this register
> since the bit indicating Gen4 capability is in USB4_SB_LINK_CONF (0x0c),
> which is Rsvd on retimers regardless of the spec revision. A connected
> port could easily have higher/lower capabilities, too.

Agree.

> So all in all, my understanding is that any bugs caused by this patch
> (which would have to be in the form of "reading a register causes a
> wrongful change in behavior") would really surface spec non-compliance
> from a retimer, which should be quirked out explicitly if that's the
> case.

Right. Also given the fact that this is debugfs access so not anything we
would do during normal operations, likelihood of this causing issues for
regular user should be pretty low.

> I only have hardware with various Parade retimers, none of which claim
> Gen4 support.

Okay I can give the next version a try on my test systems to make sure
there are no surprises. I should have a pretty extensive variation of
retimers (v1, v2 and pre-USB4).

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-04-10 14:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-09 11:22 [PATCH] thunderbolt: debugfs: Don't stop reading SB registers if just one fails Konrad Dybcio
2026-04-09 12:04 ` Mika Westerberg
2026-04-09 12:59   ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-04-09 14:32     ` Mika Westerberg
2026-04-10 14:29       ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-04-10 14:43         ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-04-10 15:10           ` Mika Westerberg
2026-04-10 17:27             ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-04-10 14:44         ` Mika Westerberg [this message]

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