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From: Herve Codina <herve.codina@bootlin.com>
To: Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@kernel.org>
Cc: "Chen-Yu Tsai" <wenst@chromium.org>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	"Manivannan Sadhasivam" <manivannan.sadhasivam@oss.qualcomm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 0/8] Add support for handling PCIe M.2 Key E connectors in devicetree
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2026 15:34:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260416153421.1692848f@bootlin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4yockfx5rjcvfh2n2excrgsknnhi72rv2w7wf7onks2ryt33sm@w7zkcxuc6vem>

Hi Manivannan,

On Thu, 16 Apr 2026 14:25:39 +0530
Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 15, 2026 at 04:56:51PM +0200, Herve Codina wrote:
> > Hi Chen, all,
> > 
> > ...
> >    
> > > 
> > > I'm not arguing for a even more generic "M.2" connector. The "key" is
> > > already described in the compatible. I'm saying we should have some way
> > > of describing the individual interfaces (PCIe, SDIO, USB, UART, I2S, I2C)
> > > on the connector so further nodes or properties can be attached to them,
> > > either with overlays or dynamically within the kernel. Right now the
> > > are only described as individual ports, but we can't actually tie a
> > > device to a OF graph port.
> > > 
> > > But maybe I'm overthinking the representation part. AFAICT for Qualcomm's
> > > UART-based BT bit part, Mani just had the driver create a device node
> > > under the UART (by traversing the OF graph to find the UART). If that's
> > > the desired way then the connector binding should mention it. And that
> > > works for me. But I think it's messier and also we're missing an
> > > opportunity to make the M.2 connector a standardized attachment point
> > > for overlays.
> > > 
> > > Mani, could you also chime in a bit on what you envisioned?
> > > 
> > > (Added Luca from Bootlin to CC, as I think there are parallels to the
> > >  "Hotplug of Non-discoverable Hardware" work)
> > >  
> > 
> > Related to "Hotplug of Non-discoverable Hardware",
> > 
> > I would add entries for busses in the connector without using an OF graph.
> >   
> 
> I don't think this is a correct representation. It is non-standard to describe
> the device nodes in some other connectors. While it may work with your series in
> the future, not something I would bet-on at this point.
> 
> Using OF graph to link the connector nodes look like the cleaner solution to me.

In your DT binding, there is the i2c-parent property at connector level.

How it is used or planned to be used in order to handle devices available on the
board connected to the M2 connector ?

> 
> > For I2C and later SPI, this was is done.
> > 
> > You already have an i2c-parent property but no node where an i2c device
> > can be added.
> > 
> > The last discussion related to hotplug, connectors and DT led to the RFC
> > series [1].
> > 
> > It is a huge series. The last patch give a real example of representation:
> >   https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260112142009.1006236-78-herve.codina@bootlin.com/
> > 
> > In your case I would see some thing like:
> > 
> >     connector {
> >         compatible = "pcie-m2-e-connector";
> >         vpcie3v3-supply = <&vreg_wcn_3p3>;
> >         vpcie1v8-supply = <&vreg_l15b_1p8>;
> > 
> > 	/*
> > 	 * If those GPIOs have to be used by components available in
> > 	 * the connected board, a Nexus node should be used.
> >          */
> >         w-disable1-gpios = <&tlmm 115 GPIO_ACTIVE_LOW>;
> >         w-disable2-gpios = <&tlmm 116 GPIO_ACTIVE_LOW>;
> >         viocfg-gpios = <&tlmm 117 GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH>;
> >         uart-wake-gpios = <&tlmm 118 GPIO_ACTIVE_LOW>;
> >         sdio-wake-gpios = <&tlmm 119 GPIO_ACTIVE_LOW>;
> >         sdio-reset-gpios = <&tlmm 120 GPIO_ACTIVE_LOW>;
> > 
> > 	conn-i2c {
> > 		i2c-parent = <&i2c0>;
> > 
> > 		/*
> >  		 * Here i2c devices available on the board
> > 		 * connected to the connector can be described.
> > 		 */
> > 	};
> > 
> > 	/* Same kind to description for other busses */
> > 	conn-pcie {
> > 		pci-parent = <&xxxxx>;
> > 
> > 		/*
> > 		 * The PCIe bus has abilities to discover devices.
> > 		 * Not sure this node is needed.
> > 		 *
> > 		 * If a PCI device need a DT description to describe
> > 		 * stuffs behind the device, what has been done for LAN966x
> > 		 * could be re-used [2] and [3]
> > 		 */  
> 
> I don't think anyone would connect something like LAN966x to the M.2 connector.
> M.2 cards have a defined purpose, like NVMe, WLAN etc... If anyone wants to
> connect another SoC like LAN966x, they would use non-M.2 connectors.

Hum, maybe yes, maybe not. I don't know what kind of hardware could be available
on a M2 connector.

One think sure is that a PCIe bus is available on the connector and so, potentially
all PCI devices could be wired on a M2 form factor.

LAN966x in PCI version is just a PCI device.

Anyway, Is it allowed to have sub-nodes in a port node ?

I mean, can we describe devices connected to a bus described by the port node ?

For USB and PCI it is probably not needed for common use cases but having a DT
description for devices on PCI and/or USB exists and is supported in the current
kernel

On SDIO, wireless devices can be described:
  Documentation/devicetree/bindings/net/wireless/

and so, sub-nodes will be needed.

As those devices need an address (reg property), #address-cells and
#size-cells will be needed.

This will end in a mix of sub-nodes describing devices and a sub-node
describing the endpoint connection.

#address-cells and #size-cells will conflict at some points.

Is a reg value for endpoints has the same characteristics as a reg value
for a SDIO device ?

How a BT devices is described under the UART available in the M2
connector ?

Best regards,
Hervé

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-16 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-26  8:06 [PATCH v7 0/8] Add support for handling PCIe M.2 Key E connectors in devicetree Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-03-26  8:06 ` [PATCH v7 1/8] serdev: Convert to_serdev_*() helpers to macros and use container_of_const() Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-03-30 19:28   ` Rob Herring
2026-03-26  8:06 ` [PATCH v7 2/8] serdev: Add an API to find the serdev controller associated with the devicetree node Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-03-30 19:28   ` Rob Herring
2026-03-26  8:06 ` [PATCH v7 3/8] serdev: Do not return -ENODEV from of_serdev_register_devices() if external connector is used Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-03-30 19:29   ` Rob Herring
2026-03-26  8:06 ` [PATCH v7 4/8] dt-bindings: serial: Document the graph port Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-03-26  8:06 ` [PATCH v7 5/8] dt-bindings: connector: Add PCIe M.2 Mechanical Key E connector Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-03-26  8:48   ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-03-26  8:06 ` [PATCH v7 6/8] Bluetooth: hci_qca: Add M.2 Bluetooth device support using pwrseq Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-03-26  8:06 ` [PATCH v7 7/8] power: sequencing: pcie-m2: Add support for PCIe M.2 Key E connectors Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-03-26  8:06 ` [PATCH v7 8/8] power: sequencing: pcie-m2: Create serdev device for WCN7850 bluetooth Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-03-26  8:54 ` [PATCH v7 0/8] Add support for handling PCIe M.2 Key E connectors in devicetree Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-03-31  7:55 ` (subset) " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-04-13  7:54 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2026-04-13 14:02   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-04-13 16:08     ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-04-14  5:03       ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2026-04-14  8:28         ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-04-14 10:29           ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2026-04-14 12:03             ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-04-15  8:31               ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2026-04-15  9:07                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-04-15 14:56                 ` Herve Codina
2026-04-16  8:55                   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-04-16 13:34                     ` Herve Codina [this message]
2026-04-16  8:34                 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam

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