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From: SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>
To: Jiayuan Chen <jiayuan.chen@linux.dev>
Cc: SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	damon@lists.linux.dev, Jiayuan Chen <jiayuan.chen@shopee.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm/damon/paddr: prefetch struct page of the next region
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 18:42:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260424014245.1124-1-sj@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260423122340.138880-2-jiayuan.chen@linux.dev>

On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 20:23:37 +0800 Jiayuan Chen <jiayuan.chen@linux.dev> wrote:

> From: Jiayuan Chen <jiayuan.chen@shopee.com>
> 
> In paddr mode with large nr_regions (20k+), damon_get_folio() dominates
> kdamond CPU time.  perf annotate shows ~98% of its samples on a single
> load: reading page->compound_head for page_folio().  DAMON samples a
> random PFN per region, so the access pattern scatters across the
> vmemmap with no locality that hardware prefetchers can exploit; every
> compound_head load misses to DRAM (~250 cycles).
> 
> Issue a software prefetch for the next region's struct page one
> iteration before it is needed.  In __damon_pa_prepare_access_check(),
> the next region's sampling_addr is picked eagerly (one iteration ahead
> of where its mkold will run) so the prefetched line is usable, and the
> first region of each epoch is handled with a one-off branch since it
> has no predecessor to have pre-picked its addr.  damon_pa_check_accesses()
> just prefetches based on sampling_addr already populated by the
> preceding prepare pass.
> 
> Two details worth calling out:
> 
>   - prefetchw() rather than prefetch(): compound_head (+0x8) and
>     _refcount (+0x34) share a 64B cacheline.  The subsequent
>     folio_try_get() / folio_put() atomics write _refcount, so bringing
>     the line in exclusive state avoids a later S->M coherence upgrade.
> 
>   - pfn_to_page() rather than pfn_to_online_page(): on
>     CONFIG_SPARSEMEM_VMEMMAP the former is pure arithmetic
>     (vmemmap + pfn), while the latter walks the mem_section table.  The
>     mem_section lookup itself incurs a DRAM miss for random PFNs, which
>     would serialize what is supposed to be a non-blocking hint - an
>     earlier attempt that used pfn_to_online_page() saw the prefetch
>     path's internal stall dominate perf (~91% skid on the converge
>     point after the call).  Prefetching an unmapped vmemmap entry is
>     safe: the hint is dropped without faulting.

Sashiko raises [1] a concern about this.  Could you please reply?

> 
> Concurrency: list_next_entry() and &list == &head comparisons are safe
> without locking because kdamond is the sole mutator of the region list
> of its ctx; external threads must go through damon_call() which defers
> execution to the same kdamond thread between sampling iterations
> (see documentation on struct damon_ctx and damon_call()).
> 
> Tested with paddr monitoring, max_nr_regions=20000, and stress-ng-vm
> consuming ~90% of memory across 8 workers: kdamond CPU further reduced
> from ~50% to ~40% of one core on top of the earlier damon_rand_fast()
> change.

This patch feels bit complicated.  I'm not sure if the performance gain is
really big enough to compensate the added complexity.  As I also asked to the
previous patch, could you please share more details about your use case?

I will review the code in detail after the above high level question and
concern are addressed.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/20260423192534.300CEC2BCB2@smtp.kernel.org


Thanks,
SJ

[...]

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-24  1:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-23 12:23 [PATCH 1/2] mm/damon: introduce damon_rand_fast() for per-ctx PRNG Jiayuan Chen
2026-04-23 12:23 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/damon/paddr: prefetch struct page of the next region Jiayuan Chen
2026-04-24  1:42   ` SeongJae Park [this message]
2026-04-24  1:36 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm/damon: introduce damon_rand_fast() for per-ctx PRNG SeongJae Park
2026-04-24  2:29   ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-04-24 15:11     ` SeongJae Park
2026-04-25  3:36       ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-04-25 15:59         ` SeongJae Park
2026-04-26  5:50           ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-04-26 17:33             ` SeongJae Park

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