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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>
To: Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Linux Doc Mailing List" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Mauro Carvalho Chehab" <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Shuah Khan" <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/9] docs: maintainers_include: don't ignore invalid profile entries
Date: Tue, 5 May 2026 07:45:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260505074534.5fefbed0@foz.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANiq72=2cB_bDa0c1FA4aOMx8d=RyuNs_O+_72EiUurMAY+0mw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 5 May 2026 02:20:45 +0200
Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 5, 2026 at 2:08 AM Mauro Carvalho Chehab
> <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > Also, with time, maintainers may change their employers while still
> > keeping their maintainership status.
> >
> > So, I'd say that whatever is there at the "P" entry, or where it is
> > located (either on a ReST file at the Kernel or on some external URL),
> > it should reflect the model that a maintainer or subsystem community
> > that actively participate at the Kernel development agrees with.
> > This should be vendor-agnostic.  
> 
> I am not sure what you mean. By "vendored" I don't mean
> companies/employers, I mean that the file comes from an upstream
> repository:
> 
>   https://github.com/Rust-for-Linux/pin-init/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md
> 
> Nevertheless, it is true that this really is a special case, in that
> the upstream project decided to provide something that could then be
> fit into the `P:` field.
> 
> One could say "let's ask them to do rst upstream", but to be honest,
> it is simpler to just put a hyperlink to GitHub's rendered file.
> Markdown is anyway a better fit for their file.

Ok. Then it P entry could be:

	P: https://github.com/Rust-for-Linux/pin-init/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md

> > Generating on the fly is a bad idea, as when one uses:
> >
> >         make O=SOME_DIR
> >
> > It is expected that the original source directory will remain
> > untouched.  
> 
> I am not sure why that would be a problem -- the output would be in
> `objtree`, not in `srctree`, as usual.

No, this won't work. See sphinx-build help:

	$ sphinx-build --help
	usage: sphinx-build [OPTIONS] SOURCEDIR OUTPUTDIR [FILENAMES...]
	...

	positional arguments:
	  SOURCE_DIR            path to documentation source files
	  OUTPUT_DIR            path to output directory
	  filenames             (optional) a list of specific files to rebuild. Ignored if --write-all is specified


The way Sphinx works is that it will consider a source file
only for stuff inside the SOURCE_DIR positional parameter passed to
sphinx-build. It handles SOURCE_DIR the same way chroot does:
assuming that you add at toctable inside Documentation/index.rst
(e.g on its root level) something like like this:

	/DIR/file.rst
	../DIR/file.rst
	../../../../../../../../../DIR/file.rst

They all will be interpreted as:
	{SOURCE_DIR}/DIR/file.rst

Making impossible to reference any file at the OUTPUT_DIR, except
if you place OUTPUT_DIR inside SOURCE_DIR. 

On normal builds, where we have "output" dir inside "Documentation",
this works, but when O=DIR is used, the output directory is 
typically elsewhere, which effectively breaks O=DIR support.

Besides it, Sphinx makes a 1:1 map between a source rst file
and a destination html file (for make htmldocs).

MAINTAINERS is actually a good example of such limitation: I would
love to produce per-subsystem output files from a single
maintainers.rst file, but Sphinx doesn't allow that.

> 
> > I suggested pandoc as a one-time conversion if one wants to migrate
> > from MD to rst, as for simple documents like this one, it works
> > fine.  
> 
> They are the maintainers, so it is up to them, but it is simpler to
> use a hyperlink.
>
> (The file is trivial, i.e. the conversion can be done in a moment
> without `pandoc`).

Ok.

Thanks,
Mauro

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-05  5:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-04 15:51 [PATCH 0/9] Improve process/maintainers output Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 15:51 ` [PATCH 1/9] docs: maintainers_include: keep hidden TOC sorted Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 15:51 ` [PATCH 2/9] docs: escape ** glob pattern in MAINTAINERS descriptions Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 21:20   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-05-05  3:19     ` Joe Perches
2026-05-05  5:57       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-05  6:46         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 15:51 ` [PATCH 3/9] docs: maintainers_include.py: split state machine on multiple funcs Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 15:51 ` [PATCH 4/9] docs: maintainers_include: cleanup the code Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 15:51 ` [PATCH 5/9] docs: maintainers_include.py: clean most SPHINXDIRS=process warnings Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 15:51 ` [PATCH 6/9] docs: maintainers_include: do some coding style cleanups Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 15:51 ` [PATCH 7/9] docs: maintainers_include: store maintainers entries on a dict Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 15:51 ` [PATCH 8/9] docs: maintainers_include: don't ignore invalid profile entries Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 16:08   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-05-04 20:26     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 22:37       ` Gary Guo
2026-05-04 23:23         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-05  0:25           ` Gary Guo
2026-05-04 23:34       ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-05-05  0:08         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-05  0:20           ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-05-05  5:45             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2026-05-05 11:16               ` Gary Guo
2026-05-05 13:09                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-05 14:37               ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-05-04 15:51 ` [PATCH 9/9] docs: maintainers: add a filtering javascript Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 21:12   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-05-05 13:00     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-04 21:13 ` [PATCH 0/9] Improve process/maintainers output Randy Dunlap
2026-05-05 12:50   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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