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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>,
	greg@kroah.com, leon@kernel.org, security@kernel.org,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	skhan@linuxfoundation.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] Documentation: security-bugs: explain what is and is not a security bug
Date: Thu, 7 May 2026 09:07:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260507070720.GG3126523@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aftmB435XJ8FP3V_@1wt.eu>

On Wed, May 06, 2026 at 06:02:15PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> Hi Linus,
> 
> On Wed, May 06, 2026 at 08:46:07AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > [ Coming back to this after a week of trying to clean up the disaster
> > that is my inbox after the merge window ]
> > 
> > On Sun, 3 May 2026 at 04:35, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> wrote:
> > >
> > > The use of automated tools to find bugs in random locations of the kernel
> > > induces a raise of security reports even if most of them should just be
> > > reported as regular bugs. This patch is an attempt at drawing a line
> > > between what qualifies as a security bug and what does not, hoping to
> > > improve the situation and ease decision on the reporter's side.
> > 
> > I actually think we may want to go further than this.
> > 
> > I think we should simply make it a rule that "a 'security' bug that is
> > found by AI is public".
> 
> This would definitely help us a lot on sec@k.o, but...
> 
> > Now, I may be influenced by that "my inbox is a disaster during the
> > merge window" thing, but I do think this is pretty fundamental: if
> > somebody finds a bug with more or less standard AI tools (ie we're not
> > talking magical special hardware and nation-state level efforts), then
> > that bug pretty much by definition IS NOT SECRET.
> 
> I think it's only 99.9% true. I mean, I've used such tools myself to
> find bugs that were not found otherwise and I know that:
>   - interactions with the tools count a lot
>   - luck counts even more

Perhaps also note that including a reproducer for a crash in public is
fine, including a full blown exploit is not.

So perhaps that can serve as a guide; if they went and put in the effort
of making a full exploit (with or without LLM aid), keep it on security,
otherwise do the public thing.

And yes, I realize this too might be a very thin/short rope.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-05-07  7:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260503113506.5710-1-w@1wt.eu>
     [not found] ` <20260503113506.5710-4-w@1wt.eu>
2026-05-05 14:09   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] Documentation: security-bugs: clarify requirements for AI-assisted reports Leon Romanovsky
     [not found] ` <20260503113506.5710-2-w@1wt.eu>
2026-05-05 14:10   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] Documentation: security-bugs: do not systematically Cc the security team Leon Romanovsky
2026-05-08 15:31   ` Greg KH
     [not found] ` <20260503113506.5710-3-w@1wt.eu>
2026-05-05 14:10   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] Documentation: security-bugs: explain what is and is not a security bug Leon Romanovsky
2026-05-06 15:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-05-06 16:02     ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-07  4:18       ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-07  7:14         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07  7:07       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-05-07 15:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-05-07 15:48           ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-08 15:35     ` Greg KH
2026-05-08 15:54       ` Joshua Peisach
2026-05-08 16:07         ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-08 15:59       ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-08 16:39         ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-09  6:39           ` Greg KH
2026-05-09  7:43             ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-08 20:52   ` Shuah Khan
2026-05-09  4:48     ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-09 19:50       ` Shuah Khan

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