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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
To: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>
Cc: Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com>,
	Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/10] drm/panthor: Automatically enable interrupts in panthor_fw_wait_acks()
Date: Wed, 13 May 2026 17:42:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260513174222.70b6d2a2@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3c721f22-d1a7-474e-8276-f0afc7cd9a0b@arm.com>

On Wed, 13 May 2026 16:02:11 +0100
Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com> wrote:

> >>>> It seems to work, although I'm lightly uneasy about this because I'm not
> >>>> entirely sure whether the FW will immediately see the updates to
> >>>> ack_irq_mask and therefore whether there's a possibility to miss an
> >>>> event and be stuck waiting for the timeout.
> >>>>
> >>>> Memory models are not my strong point, OpenAI tells me the sequence
> >>>> should be something like:
> >>>>
> >>>>   scoped_guard(spinlock_irqsave, lock) {
> >>>>   	u32 ack_irq_mask = READ_ONCE(*ack_irq_mask_ptr);
> >>>>
> >>>>   	WRITE_ONCE(*ack_irq_mask_ptr, ack_irq_mask | req_mask);
> >>>>   }    
> >>>
> >>> Is this really needed? In which situation would the compiler/CPU decide
> >>> to re-order this read_update_modify sequence?    
> >>
> >> I think that's the AI being a bit overzealous, but in general WRITE_ONCE
> >> is necessary to avoid some surprising effects. In theory the compiler
> >> can decide to perform multiple writes if it's non-volatile. I.e. a
> >> sequence like:
> >>
> >> 	u32 old_mask = *ack_irq_mask_ptr;
> >> 	if (condition)
> >> 		*ack_irq_mask_ptr = 0;
> >> 	else
> >> 		*ack_irq_mask_ptr |= req_mask;
> >>
> >> Can be 'optimised' to:
> >>
> >> 	u32 old_mask = *ack_irq_mask_ptr;
> >> 	*ack_irq_mask_ptr = 0;
> >> 	if (!condition)
> >> 		*ack_irq_mask_ptr = old_mask | req_mask;
> >>
> >> In which the compiler has changed the (!condition) path to do two writes
> >> one of which "should never be seen".
> >>
> >> Given that the compiler shouldn't be able to move any of the effects
> >> outside of the scoped_guard(), and since there's only one operation then
> >> I can't see how a compiler would screw it up - but the compiler is
> >> technically free to do so.  
> > 
> > Sure, I'm not saying read_modify_write is atomic per-se (even though
> > I'd be surprised if the compiler wasn't generating instructions that
> > are atomic in the end), but it is thread-safe because of the spinlock
> > covering the read_modify_write op.  
> 
> But one of the "threads" is the MCU which isn't using the spinlock -
> which is why it's a problem if the compiler left the value in a 'random'
> state even if it's all fixed up by the time the spinlock is released.

Okay, I see what you mean. I truly hope it's not random values, but if
it goes

	X -> 0 -> X | Y

or

	X -> 0 -> X & ~Y

that's already problematic, because we'd lose events.

> 
> Like you say I would be very surprised if a compiler messed it up in
> this case.

I'll add the READ/WRITE_ONCE() and add a comment to make sure we don't
forget why they are needed (in theory).

      reply	other threads:[~2026-05-13 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260429-panthor-signal-from-irq-v1-0-4b92ae4142d2@collabora.com>
     [not found] ` <20260429-panthor-signal-from-irq-v1-7-4b92ae4142d2@collabora.com>
     [not found]   ` <e5c9763b-87c1-405d-9fda-f3f324d6bdfe@arm.com>
2026-05-04 15:00     ` [PATCH 07/10] drm/panthor: Automate CSG IRQ processing at group unbind time Boris Brezillon
     [not found] ` <20260429123607.7a8c7051@fedora>
2026-05-05  8:54   ` [PATCH 00/10] drm/panthor: Reduce dma_fence signalling latency Boris Brezillon
2026-05-05 16:12     ` Liviu Dudau
     [not found] ` <20260429-panthor-signal-from-irq-v1-8-4b92ae4142d2@collabora.com>
     [not found]   ` <446e9d1f-b6be-42fa-bd2b-f4fcbc130f70@arm.com>
     [not found]     ` <20260504130215.0222b3bd@fedora>
2026-05-06 14:35       ` [PATCH 08/10] drm/panthor: Automatically enable interrupts in panthor_fw_wait_acks() Steven Price
2026-05-06 16:08         ` Boris Brezillon
2026-05-13 15:02           ` Steven Price
2026-05-13 15:42             ` Boris Brezillon [this message]

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