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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
	Naoya Horiguchi <nao.horiguchi@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
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	Hidehiro Kawai <hidehiro.kawai.ez@hitachi.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
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	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
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	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
	Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] mm: memory-failure: fix HWPoison flag race with non-atomic page flag ops
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2026 17:50:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260629174225-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54c8cbee-9b26-458c-93ba-5aa594f5d1e8@kernel.org>

On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 11:22:11PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> [...]
> 
> > 
> > And again, I'm really not sure fixing a theoretical race when memory
> > is failing is worth slowing the world by 0.1-1% for.
> > 
> 
> Fully agreed. I was hoping RCU was cheaper (I mean, we were once told that RCU
> read side locking is essentially for free ... well in some configs :) )
> 
> The question if we could optimize it reasonably enough ...
> 
> > 
> > From what I saw in my testing, if we allocate 4k pages
> > it's hidden by the overhead. With hp and thp it's measureably
> > worse than rcu on !preempt config.
> 
> ... for example, by doing the rcu read lock + unlock around the
> 
> 	for (i = 1; i < (1 << order); i++) {
> 
> loop on the alloc path.

Is this different from what this patch is doing?

        if (unlikely(order)) {
                int i;

                hwpoison_rcu_lock();
                if (compound) {
                        page[1].flags.f &= ~PAGE_FLAGS_SECOND;
  #ifdef NR_PAGES_IN_LARGE_FOLIO
                        folio->_nr_pages = 0;
  #endif
                }
                for (i = 1; i < (1 << order); i++) {
                        if (compound)
                                bad += free_tail_page_prepare(page, page + i);
                        if (is_check_pages_enabled()) {
                                if (free_page_is_bad(page + i)) {
                                        bad++;
                                        continue;
                                }
                        }
                        (page + i)->flags.f &= ~PAGE_FLAGS_CHECK_AT_PREP;
                }
                hwpoison_rcu_unlock();
        }
  


> But I suspect it's not going to make that much of a
> difference.

It makes a difference! Just not enough to make it completely unmeasureable.


> I concluded, similar to Andi, that stop_machine() is too big of a hammer.
> 
> I wonder if something could be built out of preempt_disable() and sync SMP
> calls. hmm :(

rcu_lock is basically same as preempt_disable if rcu is non preemptible,
no?


> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> David


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-29 21:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-28 21:45 [PATCH 0/2] mm: memory-failure: fix HWPoison flag race with non-atomic page flag ops Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-28 21:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: memory-failure: use RCU to fix HWPoison flag race Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-28 21:45 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: wrap non-atomic page flag ops in RCU for HWPoison safety Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29  2:11 ` [PATCH 0/2] mm: memory-failure: fix HWPoison flag race with non-atomic page flag ops Andi Kleen
2026-06-29  8:10   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29  8:21     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-29  8:39     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29 16:54       ` Andi Kleen
2026-06-29 17:04         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-29 20:43           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29  6:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-29  7:34   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29 13:05     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-29 20:08       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29 20:55         ` Andi Kleen
2026-06-29 21:17           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29 21:39             ` Andi Kleen
2026-06-29 21:59               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29 21:22         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-29 21:43           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-29 23:34             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29 21:50           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2026-06-29 21:54           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-06-29 23:29       ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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