From: Benedikt Spranger <b.spranger@linutronix.de>
To: Andrew Murray <amurray@thegoodpenguin.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/4] printk: nbcon: move printk_delay to console emiting code
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2026 16:56:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260703165654.71be8707@mitra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260630-deprecate_boot_delay-v2-3-f9883d36aa4b@thegoodpenguin.co.uk>
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 17:35:59 +0100
Andrew Murray <amurray@thegoodpenguin.co.uk> wrote:
> The printk_delay and boot_delay features are helpful for debugging
> as kernel output can be slowed down during boot allowing messages to
> be seen before scrolling off the screen, or to correlate timing
> between some physical event and console output.
By now, it slows down the boot process, which is the handy part of that
feature.
> However, since the introduction of nbcon and the legacy printer thread
> for PREEMPT_RT kernels, printk records are now emited to the console
> asynchronously to the caller of printk. Thus, any printk delay added
> by boot_delay/printk_delay continues to slow down the calling process
> but may not have any impact to the rate in which records are emited
> to the console.
Using this feature to slow down the boot/suspend/resume process and
implicit make printk() happen, is the usefull part of that feature.
Imagine this sequence (which hit me on suspend/resume on i.MX after
shutting down all secondary CPUs)
printk("A");
(do some stuff)
printk("B");
read from peripheral --> system got stuck here since peripheral was
not clocked or powered or both any more.
The delay (and later on a ugly patch to make printk() synchrounous)
helped to locate where the failed access happend. JTAG did not help,
since the CPU got stuck --> no JTAG communication to that CPU.
With your purposed change you *may* see "A", but never "B".
Quite challenging...
So please leave the delay on the calling side - it is helpfull there.
Regards
Bene Spranger
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-03 14:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-30 16:35 [PATCH v2 0/4] printk: nbcon: deprecate boot_delay in favour of printk_delay Andrew Murray
2026-06-30 16:35 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] printk: remove BOOT_PRINTK_DELAY config option Andrew Murray
2026-06-30 17:08 ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-30 16:35 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] printk: deprecate boot_delay in favour of printk_delay Andrew Murray
2026-06-30 16:49 ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-30 16:35 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] printk: nbcon: move printk_delay to console emiting code Andrew Murray
2026-06-30 17:09 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-03 13:03 ` John Ogness
2026-07-03 12:57 ` John Ogness
2026-07-03 14:56 ` Benedikt Spranger [this message]
2026-06-30 16:36 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] Documentation/kernel-parameters: add/update printk_delay/boot_delay Andrew Murray
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