From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC9F2359A70; Fri, 3 Jul 2026 06:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1783060655; cv=none; b=USuI6YOMopPanWjNe/yO/dWF39jLDEUncgoo66c/gS9hMeonvrOi+xsLfzTFFFXDRWIwLSCnB1kYFC2W8mnkDMFe1X41tpaaduAe/tB6seLFJt7q1zcXhUhBL8ATaexhBqM1sTBHGN8FcsdmcKbKrpbsfve5XcI7Ww8Erbupzqc= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1783060655; c=relaxed/simple; bh=iA6L52VbbjBG33f9eKOlSm6Ww8Rc80ymjU+xI4qtosg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=VxuM5dLmPf3ARh20zIK5/x2+42xwXxFZTUbOvyge6YSMyNop0y8vvXX7e+/j/9JmkTMAI+3bZs3+FYp6DworUEEsS9hyXNvH5Ek8urZtBtJPuH8ghENr+Lke62ApFdzqwFfefSnHrAyRQ7KGvbiSuJPwRPV09mzWxKdyXRUhXzs= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b=oz8aasAS; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b="oz8aasAS" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B53A61F000E9; Fri, 3 Jul 2026 06:37:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1783060653; bh=fdvRp4OPiKBvW6+WQNY+4BA/EGWBgSJfC3lb1v8xwDk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=oz8aasASXZglwpAFn2Zkd3t6Uje5bQogtua7K3bjZ7OSTmFGiGhgfMsFZyVqEQJ0X bptb/4CgXdHGaeFT+yzxQ1LvYDvBOBZszCAQW5802EjQUD8nAHO0XvyHklvObH+yIy et1Vpp2Qsrv/FhWKg+MUFMlpFPfA4NJobdqU1fMc= Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2026 08:37:43 +0200 From: Greg KH To: Laurent Pinchart Cc: Jeff Layton , Linus Torvalds , Jonathan Corbet , Justin Stitt , Lorenzo Stoakes , Carlos Maiolino , Jakub Kicinski , Jori Koolstra , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Brian Foster , Christoph Hellwig , David Disseldorp , Mark Brown , Jani Nikula , Jens Axboe , David Hildenbrand , Vlastimil Babka , "Christian Brauner (Amutable)" , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution Message-ID: <2026070350-drown-untreated-5835@gregkh> References: <20260702-aidoc-v1-1-735572dfb995@kernel.org> <2026070224-unholy-commode-cf45@gregkh> <2114bb79bb5b6e5584a8236de3590e2f4bf0899f.camel@kernel.org> <20260702161330.GH3534761@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <2026070227-payroll-eradicate-8f66@gregkh> <20260702163215.GC3559965@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20260702163215.GC3559965@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 07:32:15PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 06:19:15PM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 07:13:30PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 11:57:46AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2026-07-02 at 17:07 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 10:32:48AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote: > > > > > > We've had this requirement in place in the Documentation for several > > > > > > months, but it's becoming clear that the signal to noise ratio from this > > > > > > is quite low. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/ It's not universally followed. While many people do try to attribute > > > > > > the LLMs in good faith, not everyone does for various reasons. > > > > > > > > > > Then let's move to get people to follow it. > > > > > > > > > > > 2/ It basically serves as free advertising for proprietary LLM companies. > > > > > > > > > > Who cares, make up a name, all I want is the "signal" that someone is > > > > > using a LLM so that I can review it as-such. And if I think someone is > > > > > not reporting that, I can ask for them to properly attribute it and if > > > > > they lie, well, that's on them. > > > > > > > > > > > 3/ It's not clear why we want to collect this info in the first place. > > > > > > > > > > We want to know if a LLM is being used. > > > > > > > > But why? What do you intend to do with this information? > > > > > > > > Do you mean to use it as an indicator that the patch should receive > > > > "extra" review (or maybe that it should be ignored)? Do you mean to use > > > > it to generate some sort of statistics at a later time? > > > > > > I use the information to decide how to review the patch, and what level > > > of priority to give it. For that usage I don't need a tag, but I need > > > the information in some human-readable form at patch submission time. > > > > Same here. I don't care about stats, I care about "how do I review this > > patch" and this gives me that signal that I need if faced with a > > llm-helped patch. > > > > So it needs to stay please. > > There's the free advertising issue we still need to address. Would the > proposed "Assisted-by: LLM" tag to replace product names be an > acceptable option for you ? I really don't care what the tag says, I just want to see the tag stay to show that this needs to be evaluated differently than if it was made only by a person. Some people might want to "show off" their model names, while other companies I know refuse to allow the name to be shown, so it really doesn't hurt anyone to keep it as-is. thanks, greg k-h