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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Jacob Pan <jacob.pan@linux.microsoft.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	Alex Williamson <alex@shazbot.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>,
	David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>, Yi Liu <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	Baolu Lu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	Saurabh Sengar <ssengar@linux.microsoft.com>,
	skhawaja@google.com, pasha.tatashin@soleen.com,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 0/6] iommufd: Enable noiommu mode for cdev
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2026 16:54:03 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260706195403.GE118313@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1783360051.git.jacob.pan@linux.microsoft.com>

On Mon, Jul 06, 2026 at 11:48:28AM -0700, Jacob Pan wrote:
> VFIO's unsafe_noiommu_mode has long provided a way for userspace drivers
> to operate on platforms lacking a hardware IOMMU. Today, IOMMUFD also
> supports No-IOMMU mode for group-based devices under vfio_compat mode.
> However, IOMMUFD's native character device (cdev) does not yet support
> No-IOMMU mode, which is the purpose of this patch.
> 
> In summary, we have:
> 
> |-------------------------+------+---------------|
> | Device access mode      | VFIO | IOMMUFD       |
> |-------------------------+------+---------------|
> | group /dev/vfio/$GROUP  | Yes  | Yes           |
> |-------------------------+------+---------------|
> | cdev /dev/vfio/devices/ | No   | This patch    |
> |-------------------------+------+---------------|
> 
> Beyond enabling cdev for IOMMUFD, this patch also addresses the following
> deficiencies in the current No-IOMMU mode suggested by Jason[1]:
> - Devices operating under No-IOMMU mode are limited to device-level UAPI
>   access, without container or IOAS-level capabilities. Consequently,
>   user-space drivers lack structured mechanisms for page pinning and often
>   resort to mlock(), which is less robust than pin_user_pages() used for
>   devices backed by a physical IOMMU. For example, mlock() does not prevent
>   page migration.
> - There is no architectural mechanism for obtaining physical addresses for
>   DMA. As a workaround, user-space drivers frequently rely on /proc/pagemap
>   tricks or hardcoded values.
> 
> By allowing noiommu device access to IOMMUFD IOAS and HWPT objects, this
> patch brings No-IOMMU mode closer to full citizenship within the IOMMU
> subsystem. In addition to addressing the two deficiencies mentioned above,
> the expectation is that it will also enable No-IOMMU devices to seamlessly
> participate in live update sessions via KHO [2].
> 
> Furthermore, these devices will use the IOMMUFD-based ownership checking model for
> VFIO_DEVICE_PCI_HOT_RESET, eliminating the need for an iommufd_access object
> as required in a previous attempt [3].
> 
> ChangeLog:
> v10:
>   - Rebased to v7.2-rc2, no intended code change

My impression is we are good on this now, right? I would like to pick
it up?

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-06 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-06 18:48 [PATCH v10 0/6] iommufd: Enable noiommu mode for cdev Jacob Pan
2026-07-06 18:48 ` [PATCH v10 1/6] iommufd: Support a HWPT without an iommu driver for noiommu Jacob Pan
2026-07-06 18:48 ` [PATCH v10 2/6] iommufd: Move igroup allocation to a function Jacob Pan
2026-07-06 18:48 ` [PATCH v10 3/6] iommufd: Allow binding to a noiommu device Jacob Pan
2026-07-06 18:48 ` [PATCH v10 4/6] iommufd: Add an ioctl to query PA from IOVA for noiommu mode Jacob Pan
2026-07-06 18:48 ` [PATCH v10 5/6] vfio: Enable cdev noiommu mode under iommufd Jacob Pan
2026-07-06 18:48 ` [PATCH v10 6/6] Documentation: Update VFIO NOIOMMU mode Jacob Pan
2026-07-06 21:47   ` Alex Williamson
2026-07-06 19:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-07-06 21:51   ` [PATCH v10 0/6] iommufd: Enable noiommu mode for cdev Alex Williamson

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