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From: Peter Fang <peter.fang@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
	<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <djbw@kernel.org>,
	<kas@kernel.org>, <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	<yilun.xu@intel.com>, <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	<sohil.mehta@intel.com>, <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	<kishen.maloor@intel.com>, <tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>,
	<baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>, <zhenzhong.duan@intel.com>,
	<dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, <seanjc@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/17] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare Quote buffer during extension bringup
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2026 02:25:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260708092528.GH2169894@pedri> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e06806e8-7334-4533-b1a3-e1efbe3fab8a@intel.com>

On Wed, Jul 01, 2026 at 12:56:19PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 6/18/26 01:13, Xu Yilun wrote:
> > For simplicity, let all guests share a global buffer. Build the buffer's
> > HPA_LINKED_LIST at Quoting extension bringup. This saves a bunch of
> > va-to-pa conversions at runtime.
> 
> va-to-pa conversions are not expensive. Even for vmalloc() memory.If
> 
> I don't like the global buffer. It just generally seems like a bad idea.
> It needs locking, it wastes memory when nobody is doing quotes, etc..
> 
> Is there a way to do this without vmalloc()?
> 
> Could userspace provide the memory and then the kernel just does a gup
> to keep it in place while the TDX module is writing to it? Or, could it
> just be allocated:

Hi Dave,

The GUP idea makes a lot of sense at a high level I think. However, the
shared buffer used by the GHCI call is not 4K-aligned because it has a
header in front of it, while the SEAMCALL expects 4K-aligned HPAs
(lesson learned...). This memory does come from userspace though:

        struct tdx_quote_req {  <-- 4K-aligned
                u64 version;
                u64 status;
                u32 in_len;
                u32 out_len;
                u8 data[];      <-- shared buffer
        };


So perhaps the simplest thing here is to just allocate a kernel buffer
before the SEAMCALL. There's also another subtle wrinkle here: KVM is
shifting from a FOLL_PIN-based API to an MMU-notifier-based API for
guest page accesses [1], so I think that means more complex code to talk
to the TDX module.

> 
> 	void *buffer = vmalloc(size);
> 	mutex_lock();
> 	// talk to TDX module
> 	mutex_unlock();
> 	vfree(buffer);
> 
> 	return ret;
> 
> That actually has some nice properties. It doesn't require locking for
> the buffer. It also penalizes folks doing lots of quotes. If you hammer
> on quoting, you hammer on the memory allocator and TLB flushing code and
> slow yourself down more. If you hammer on it from multiple threads, it
> gets even worse.
> 
> That seems like a feature not a bug.

This is a really good point... I'm a bit worried about the global impact
of vfree() though. IIUC it eventually triggers an all-CPU TLB shootdown,
so a guest abusing this path would not only throttle itself, but could
also hurt everyone else. This might be more useful if the buffer was
allocated in userspace? A free() in userspace usually triggers a more
limited TLB shootdown.

I think I can use alloc_pages_bulk() instead to avoid the TLB shootdown
cost altogether. It's a bit more work in KVM, but maybe worth it...

Thanks,
Peter

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/20211115165030.7422-8-dwmw2@infradead.org/

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-08  9:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-18  8:13 [PATCH v2 00/17] Enable DICE-based TDX Quoting Extension Xu Yilun
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] x86/virt/tdx: Embed version info in SEAMCALL leaf function definitions Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 14:45   ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-22 12:05     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] x86/virt/tdx: Configure add-on features on TDX module init and update Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 15:04   ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-22 13:15     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-24 12:00     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-24 22:10       ` Peter Fang
2026-06-25  6:33         ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-23  8:43   ` Chao Gao
2026-06-25 10:50     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] x86/virt/tdx: Detect if the extensions initialization is required Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  5:19   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-25 10:57     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-29  6:33   ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30 11:10     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add extra memory to TDX module for the extensions Xu Yilun
2026-06-29  7:56   ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30 10:27     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] x86/virt/tdx: Make TDX module initialize " Xu Yilun
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] x86/virt/tdx: Re-initialize the extensions on runtime TDX module update Xu Yilun
2026-06-29  8:12   ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30 11:14     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize Quoting extension Xu Yilun
2026-06-29  8:33   ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30  5:20     ` Peter Fang
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare Quote buffer during extension bringup Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:08   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-30  4:12     ` Peter Fang
2026-07-01 19:56   ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-08  9:25     ` Peter Fang [this message]
2026-07-08  7:52   ` Nikolay Borisov
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add interface to check Quoting availability Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:09   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] x86/virt/tdx: Move tdx_tdr_pa() up in the file Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:10   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add interface to generate a Quote Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:05   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-30  4:22     ` Peter Fang
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] x86/virt/tdx: Reinitialize the Quoting extension after TDX module update Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:12   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] x86/virt/tdx: Enable Quoting extension Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:13   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] x86/tdx: Move and rename Quote request structure Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:15   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] KVM: TDX: Factor out userspace return path from tdx_get_quote() Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:16   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] KVM: TDX: Add in-kernel Quote generation Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 18:01   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-29 10:03     ` Peter Fang
2026-06-30  0:42       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-30 23:33         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-07-01  0:24           ` Dan Williams (nvidia)
2026-07-01 17:25             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-01 18:45               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-07-04  5:43                 ` Peter Fang
2026-07-06 17:57                   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-08 20:47                     ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-08 21:16                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-08 22:09                       ` Peter Fang
2026-07-08 22:28                         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-08 23:38                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-07-10  9:01                   ` Nikolay Borisov
2026-07-10  9:38                     ` Peter Fang
2026-07-08 21:37   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-10 12:52     ` Peter Fang
2026-07-10 14:48       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-10 22:59         ` Peter Fang
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] KVM: TDX: Support event-notify interrupts only with userspace Quoting Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:28   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-30  6:36     ` Peter Fang

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