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From: Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: "Christoph Lameter (Ampere)" <cl@gentwo.org>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Yang Shi <yang@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	dennis@kernel.org, tj@kernel.org, urezki@gmail.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, gor@linux.ibm.com,
	agordeev@linux.ibm.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 PATCH 0/16] Optimize this_cpu_*() ops for non-x86 (ARM64 for this series)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2026 10:45:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260805084503.37016Aa7-hca@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ea268481-d584-4744-99d6-0b05aade7d5d@kernel.org>

On Tue, Aug 04, 2026 at 11:47:03PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 8/4/26 23:25, Christoph Lameter (Ampere) wrote:
> > On Tue, 4 Aug 2026, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> >> Mark's solution is the obvious improvement to the problem, doing it just like
> >> s390 already does.
> > 
> > Well there is interest by the S390 folks to move to what we proposed from
> > what I can tell.
> 
> Heiko said that as reply to v1, bit he's been replying a lot on Mark's patches.
> Only Heiko can tell. (on CC)

I said that before Peter Zijlstra proposed the restartable sequence approach
for the kernel. I took that as input, and provided the current solution for
s390, which does not restart anything, but only fix up register contents if
required. Now Mark provided an improved implementation for arm64.

That said, there are some performance numbers [1] for s390 available as posted
by Mete. A performance improvement is indeed there, but looking at the current
s390 implementation I'm not sure there will be much of a benefit if we now go
to percpu page tables.

Currently we have this code sequence for e.g. this_cpu_add(...)
(%r2 contains the to be added value).

larl    %r4,1b33300     <-- load address of percpu var
mviy    960,4           <-- mark start of percpu op section
ag      %r4,952         <-- add percpu offset
laag    %r5,%r2,0(%r4)  <-- atomic add
mviy    960,0           <-- mark end of percpu op section

With the proposed percpu page tables I would guess / hope we would end up with
something like this:

larl    %r4,1b33300     <-- load address of percpu var (same on all cpus)
laag    %r5,%r2,0(%r4)  <-- atomic add

That's certainly better to what we have compared to now (no performance
numbers available), but I'm not sure if only this would justify all the
added complexity to common code currently discussed.

Read: I'm more or less fine with the current s390 solution, and not pushing
      for percpu page tables.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/18ca706f-ef45-4207-a55d-025f90133978@linux.ibm.com/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-05  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-15 18:04 [RFC v2 PATCH 0/16] Optimize this_cpu_*() ops for non-x86 (ARM64 for this series) Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 01/16] drivers: arch_numa: move percpu set up code to arch Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 02/16] arm64: kconfig: make percpu related configs not depend on NUMA Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 03/16] mm: pgalloc: introduce {pud|pmd}_populate_sync() Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 04/16] vmalloc: pass in pgd pointer for vmap{__vunmap}_range_noflush() Yang Shi
2026-07-29  9:32   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 19:12     ` Yang Shi
2026-08-04 13:47       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 05/16] arm64: mm: enable percpu kernel page table Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 06/16] arm64: mm: defined {pud|pmd}_populate_sync() Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 07/16] arm64: mm: sync percpu page table for memory hotplug/unplug Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 08/16] arm64: kasan: sync up kasan shadow area page table Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 09/16] arm64: mm: define percpu virtual space area Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 10/16] mm: percpu: prepare to use dedicated percpu area Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 11/16] arm64: mm: map local percpu first chunk Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 12/16] mm: percpu: set up first chunk and reserve chunk Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 13/16] arm64: mm: introduce __per_cpu_local_off Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 14/16] mm: percpu: allocate and free local percpu vm area Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 15/16] arm64: kconfig: select HAVE_LOCAL_PER_CPU_MAP Yang Shi
2026-07-15 18:04 ` [PATCH 16/16] arm64: percpu: use local percpu for this_cpu_*() APIs Yang Shi
2026-07-16 13:23 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 0/16] Optimize this_cpu_*() ops for non-x86 (ARM64 for this series) Ryan Roberts
2026-07-21 19:08   ` Mark Rutland
2026-07-21 23:20   ` Yang Shi
2026-07-22  9:36     ` Mark Rutland
2026-07-27 21:10       ` Yang Shi
2026-07-27 22:06       ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-07-29  9:28         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-04 14:15           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 14:21             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 14:40               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-04 18:06                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-04 18:16                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-04 15:21             ` Linus Torvalds
2026-08-04 16:15               ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-08-04 16:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-08-04 16:54                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-04 17:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-08-04 17:32                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 21:40                       ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-08-04 21:48                         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-04 21:56                           ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-08-04 22:01                             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-05  8:16                         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 17:23                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 17:28                     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-08-04 21:51                     ` Yang Shi
2026-08-04 22:05                       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-04 22:35                         ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-08-05  6:11                           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-05 14:48                           ` Mark Rutland
2026-08-05  7:52                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-06 17:15                     ` Will Deacon
2026-08-06 17:31                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-04 16:19             ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-08-04 16:47               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-04 21:25                 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-08-04 21:47                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-04 22:01                     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-08-05  6:12                       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-05  8:45                     ` Heiko Carstens [this message]
2026-08-05 11:10                 ` David Laight
2026-08-05 14:53         ` Mark Rutland
2026-07-30  6:06     ` [RFC v2 PATCH 0/16] Optimize this_cpu_*() ops for non-x86 (ARM64 for this series)~ Mete Durlu

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