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From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
To: pfalcato@suse.de
Cc: kas@kernel.org, usama.arif@linux.dev, hughd@google.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, baohua@kernel.org,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, david@kernel.org,
	dev.jain@arm.com, liam@infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, ljs@kernel.org,
	nico.pache@linux.dev, ryan.roberts@arm.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	nphamcs@gmail.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org, riel@surriel.com,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, kernel-team@meta.com,
	stable@vger.kernel.org, willy@infradead.org,
	Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/huge_memory: transfer the pmd dirty bit to the folio on zap
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2026 00:53:34 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260820165334.36401-1-lance.yang@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aocFPRgqieScf_yo@pedro-suse.lan>


>For some context: we were discussing (off-list) the recent report that
>systemd-journald had horrible write amplification, worsed quite a bit
>by large folios. At the moment, there is quite a lot of write amplification,
>but _only_ on mmap writes (if you look at the write(2) paths, you'll see
>write_begin and write_end which tactically only dirty what you actually wrote
>to, block-wise in the BHs or iomap IFS). This doesn't need to be true.
>
>What we conjured up was the following: since WP faults always happen on PTEs,
>you can simply dirty the block(s) corresponding to that particular PTE (which
>naturally points to a page inside the folio, whether it is large or not, doesn't
>matter). That way, you can avoid fully dirtying the folio's blocks. This is
>something that ATM isn't done by any filesystem, but it really should.
>
>Obviously this whole idea is thwarted if we keep writable shared file folios
>PMD-mapped - you can't get meaningful write notifications apart from "someone
>wrote to this folio", which isn't particularly useful once folios get 2M+ large.
>So PMD-mapping on a shared-write fault is antithetical to getting useful,
>granular write notifications to filesystems.

Just checking I got it right ... for a PMD-order file folio:

read-only mapping  -> PMD-mapped
writable mapping   -> PTE-mapped

Then ->page_mkwrite() could dirty only blocks corresponding to faulting
PTE, avoiding whole-folio write amplification.

Is that what you have in mind?

Cheers, Lance

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-20 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-19 10:12 [PATCH] mm/huge_memory: transfer the pmd dirty bit to the folio on zap Usama Arif
2026-08-19 14:13 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-19 14:13   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-19 14:31 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-19 16:17   ` Lance Yang
2026-08-19 16:32     ` Usama Arif
2026-08-20 13:05       ` Usama Arif
2026-08-19 16:35   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-20  6:13     ` Lance Yang
2026-08-20 12:12       ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-20 13:20         ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-20 14:10           ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-20 16:53             ` Lance Yang [this message]
2026-08-19 20:33   ` Hugh Dickins
2026-08-19 15:10 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-19 15:31 ` Zi Yan
2026-08-19 16:09 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-20  2:06 ` Baolin Wang

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