From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Luigi Rizzo <lrizzo@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC: DMA_PMD 00/22] DMA_PMD: PMD_SIZE-backed IO buffer pools
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2026 10:27:56 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261023102756.201315d7@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261023145023.GH3977851@ziepe.ca>
On Fri, 23 Oct 2026 11:50:23 -0300 Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > Anyways, reading your next comments, are you suggesting that all
> > these functionalities should be implemented as pagepool extensions?
> > (2MB mappings and iommu backing, proper allocator of fragments out of larger
> > pages, device-less pagepools, multi-domain mappings, pagepool
> > as memory provider for skb heads, pagepool as memory provider for descriptor
> > rings ?)
>
> netdev shouldn't be touching iommu, it can get a 2M page and map it
> using the normal DMA API. AFAIK there is not such a big reason to need
> any of these layering violations. They just make it easier on page
> pool..
FWIW we're entirely happy on the netdev side to add this to page pool.
In fact the initial RFC I posted for "page pool memory providers"
was addressing this exact use case. I didn't push it forward due
to low time and suspicion that IOMMU folks would prefer a more generic
solution. Since then memory providers were pushed forward and merged
for dmabuf, and we have netlink APIs to configure things. So adding
large mappings should be SMOC.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-23 17:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-03 21:22 [RFC: DMA_PMD 00/22] DMA_PMD: PMD_SIZE-backed IO buffer pools Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 01/22] iommu/dma: introduce CONFIG_DMA_PMD and metadata table Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:44 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-10-04 9:14 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 02/22] iommu/dma: add DMA_PMD pool lifecycle and page recycle hook Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-10 2:59 ` kernel test robot
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 03/22] mm: Add split_page_compound() Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 04/22] iommu/dma: add DMA_PMD pool block allocation Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 05/22] iommu/dma: Global cap and shrinker for DMA_PMD pool memory Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 06/22] iommu/dma: reserve a per-domain IOVA window for DMA_PMD pages Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 07/22] iommu/dma: release DMA_PMD domain mappings on domain teardown Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 08/22] iommu/dma: use per-domain IOVA window to map DMA_PMD memory Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 09/22] iommu/dma: Add DMA_PMD arena allocator Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 10/22] driver core: Add per-device dma_pmd_* sysfs attributes Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 11/22] dma-mapping: Use DMA_PMD arena for dma_alloc_attrs() Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 12/22] net/core: Use per-CPU DMA_PMD pools for skb_page_frag_refill() Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 13/22] net/core: Use DMA_PMD for page_pool memory Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 14/22] iommu/dma: Support decrypted and pinned DMA_PMD pages Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 15/22] iommu/dma: Add background page scrubber for DMA_PMD pools Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 16/22] iommu/dma: Add per-NUMA-node PMD page reservoir Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 17/22] net/gve: Use DMA_PMD memory for RX buffers Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 18/22] net/gve: Use DMA_PMD memory for tx header bounce buffers Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 19/22] net/mlx5e: " Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-14 17:22 ` Dragos Tatulea
2026-10-14 17:50 ` Dragos Tatulea
2026-10-14 18:28 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 20/22] net/idpf: " Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 21/22] net/bnxt: " Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-03 21:22 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 22/22] iommu/dma: Add DMA_PMD statistics and debugfs Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-11 9:02 ` [RFC: DMA_PMD 00/22] DMA_PMD: PMD_SIZE-backed IO buffer pools Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-10-12 13:51 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-12 14:45 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-12 19:43 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-13 10:42 ` Robin Murphy
2026-10-14 10:47 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-14 11:05 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-17 17:11 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-22 20:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 21:51 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-23 14:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 14:30 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-23 14:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 15:12 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-23 17:27 ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2026-10-23 20:22 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-03 8:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-11-03 9:13 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-03 15:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-06 17:21 ` Naman Gulati
2026-11-06 17:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-06 18:00 ` Naman Gulati
2026-11-06 18:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-06 18:17 ` Naman Gulati
2026-11-06 18:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-06 19:01 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-06 19:11 ` Naman Gulati
2026-10-12 14:49 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-12 15:02 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-10-14 17:28 ` Dragos Tatulea
2026-10-14 18:14 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/25] PISA: Pre-mapped IOVA Superpage Allocator for DMA and CoCo Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/25] iommu/dma: Introduce CONFIG_PISA and metadata table Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/25] iommu/dma: Add PISA allocator lifecycle and page recycle hook Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/25] iommu/dma: Add per-NUMA-node PISA page reservoir Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/25] iommu/dma: Add PISA block allocation Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/25] iommu/dma: Add global cap and shrinker for PISA pages Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/25] iommu/dma: Reserve a per-domain IOVA window " Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/25] iommu/dma: Release PISA domain mappings on domain teardown Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/25] iommu/dma: Use per-domain IOVA window to map PISA memory Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/25] driver core: Add per-device pisa_* sysfs attributes for PISA optin Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/25] iommu/dma: Use PISA for coherent DMA allocations Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/25] iommu/dma: Add per-CPU block caches to PISA allocators Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/25] net/core: Use per-node PISA allocators for skb_page_frag_refill() Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/25] net/core: Use PISA for page_pool memory Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/25] iommu/dma: Support decrypted PISA pages Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/25] iommu/dma: Add background page scrubber for PISA allocators Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/25] mm/slub: Add SLAB_CACHE_PISA_RO for PISA-backed slab caches Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/25] net: Allocate small skb heads from PISA Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/25] iommu/dma: Migrate user pages into PISA for TX zerocopy Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/25] iommu/dma: Stop recycling old PISA pages when allocator waste is high Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/25] net/libeth: Use GFP_KERNEL when pre-filling RX rings Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/25] net/gve: " Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/25] net/gve: Use PISA memory for RX buffers Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/25] block, mm, iommu/dma: Support PISA for disk I/O and scrub migration Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 24/25] Documentation: Add PISA architecture documentation Luigi Rizzo
2026-11-09 18:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 25/25] iommu/dma: Add PISA statistics and debugfs Luigi Rizzo
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