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From: Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@oss.qualcomm.com>
To: Cristian Marussi <cristian.marussi@arm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 23/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry generation counter event
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2026 13:44:07 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261112134407.0000457f@oss.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <avYe37QP4Upvp51c@pluto>

On Thu, 12 Nov 2026 20:17:35 +0000
Cristian Marussi <cristian.marussi@arm.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2026 at 02:46:35PM -0800, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > On Mon,  9 Nov 2026 09:12:09 +0000
> > Cristian Marussi <cristian.marussi@arm.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > Add a per-instance generation counter to track configuration changes which
> > > uses the common telemetry events framework.  
> > Why?  What's the usecase for this?
> > Needs some more information or I'd leave it for now.
> >   
> 
> SCMI Telemetry is specified and designed FW/Kernel side to allow for
> multiple readers and multiple writers issuing configuration changes:
> give that there is NO HW/FW/SPEC limitation in allowing such concurrency
> (unlike e.g. for a serial or an RTC) the telemetry driver does NOT
> enfroce any kind of exclusive access...last one wins when multiple
> acctors tries to configure overlapping stuff...none of kernel problem
> userspace should co-ordinate...and I suspect most of the time having
> multiple apps trying to concurrently issue conflicting Telemetry request
> would be a matter of wrong platform configuration/setup (similarly to
> what would happen by running together all the lovely varied network
> configiratio solution on a Linux box...)
> 
> As said the Kernel SHOULD NOT care, going back to the networking example
> Kernel indeed does NOT active policy netlink access..you are free to shot
> into your foot...
> 
> Anyway, co-ordinating access to the Telemetry resources in userspace can
> be a pain, so the the generation counter is an optional mechanism to be
> alerted when some of the Telemetry has been changed, so that userspace
> can spot that something odd is happening (if it was unexpected) and
> avoid to sample and analyze bogus data...
> 
> The generic event support upon which this is based, it is meant to
> support future events like relaying notifications to userspace...but
> given that notifs were NOT implemented for real, it is not present (NOR
> the related ABI...)
> 
Ok. That explanation makes sense.  Given it effects how userspace will
be written against this stack (maybe assuming folk don't just bind a single
daemon process to it) it does have to be there fairly early. Maybe
a follow up to the initial set like the stuff for already events.

Anyhow, add this info to the patch description!

Jonathan

> Thanks,
> Cristian


  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-12 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-09  9:11 [PATCH v15 00/35] Introduce SCMI Telemetry support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 01/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Harden iterators state parsing Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09 21:57   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-10  8:19     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 02/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add new SCMIv4.0 error codes definitions Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 03/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Introduce a dedicated SCMI Errors header Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09 22:01   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-10  8:23     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 04/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Allow registration of unknown-size events/reports Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09 22:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-10  8:27     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 05/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Refactor __scmi_event_handler_get_ops helper Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 06/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Introduce protocol instance notifiers Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09 23:32   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 07/35] dt-bindings: firmware: arm,scmi: Add support for telemetry protocol Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 08/35] include: trace: Add Telemetry trace events Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 09/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry basic attributes enumeration Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09 23:57   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 10/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry resources enumeration Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10  1:36   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-10 15:33     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-12 18:01   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-12 19:56     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 11/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry groups initialization Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10  1:53   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 12/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry update intervals enumeration Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10  2:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:11 ` [PATCH v15 13/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry SHMTI areas enumeration Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10  2:26   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 14/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry TDCF areas parsing support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 18:15   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 15/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry TDCF parsing for BLK_TS lines Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 18:33   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 16/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry TDCF parsing for UUID lines Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 18:49   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 17/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry configuration operations Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 20:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 18/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry DataEvent read capabilities Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 21:59   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-12  4:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 19/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry reset logic Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 20/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry notification support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:16   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 21/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry boot-on support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:25   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 22/35] firmware: arm-scmi: Add Telemetry generic event support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:33   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-12 19:58     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 23/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry generation counter event Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:46   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-12 20:17     ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-12 21:44       ` Jonathan Cameron [this message]
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 24/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add common per-protocol debugfs support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:50   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 25/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry debugfs SHMTI dump support Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:54   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 26/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add Telemetry debugfs ABI documentation Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:55   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 27/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Expose per-instance identifier Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 22:57   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 28/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add un-managed methods to get/put protocols operations Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 23:01   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-10 23:18   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 29/35] uapi: Add ARM SCMI Telemetry definitions Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 23:13   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 30/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Add System Telemetry driver Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 23:46   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 31/35] firmware: arm_scmi: Enable autoloading for " Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 32/35] docs: ioctl-number: Add SCMI Ioctls Cristian Marussi
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 33/35] Documentation: Add SCMI System Telemetry documentation Cristian Marussi
2026-11-10 23:54   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 34/35] [RFC] kselftest/arm64: Add SCMI Telemetry UAPI compliance testcases Cristian Marussi
2026-11-11  0:13   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v15 35/35] [RFC] tools/testing/scmi: Add SCMI Telemetry testing tool Cristian Marussi
2026-11-11  0:16   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-11  0:38 ` [PATCH v15 00/35] Introduce SCMI Telemetry support Jonathan Cameron
2026-11-11  9:51   ` Sudeep Holla
2026-11-11 10:15   ` Cristian Marussi
2026-11-11 18:39     ` Jonathan Cameron

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