From: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@turbolabs.com>,
Shawn Starr <spstarr@sh0n.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Possible Idea with filesystem buffering.
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:08:28 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2116720000.1011733708@tiny> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3C4DCC49.1080202@namesys.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201221234470.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com> <3C4DB36F.4090306@namesys.com> <2080500000.1011727185@tiny> <3C4DCC49.1080202@namesys.com>
On Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:32:09 PM +0300 Hans Reiser
<reiser@namesys.com> wrote:
>> Its not about the cost of a function call, it's what the FS does to make
>> that call useful. Pretend for a second the VM tells the FS everything it
>> needs to know to age a page (whatever scheme the FS wants to use).
>>
>> Then pretend the VM decides there's memory pressure, and tells the FS
>> subcache to start freeing ram. So, the FS goes through its list of pages
>> and finds the most suitable one for flushing, but it has no idea how
>> suitable that page is in comparison with the pages that don't belong to
>> that FS (or even other pages from different mount points of the same FS
>> flavor).
>>
>
> Why does it need to know how suitable it is compared to the other
> subcaches? It just ages X pages, and depends on the VM to determine how
> large X is. The VM pressures subcaches in proportion to their size, it
> doesn't need to know how suitable one page is compared to another, it
> just has a notion of push on everyone in proportion to their size.
If subcache A has 1000 pages that are very very active, and subcache B has
500 pages that never ever get used, should A get twice as much memory
pressure? That's what we want to avoid, and I don't see how subcaches
allow it.
-chris
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-22 21:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-20 9:04 Possible Idea with filesystem buffering Shawn
2002-01-20 11:31 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 13:56 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 14:21 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 15:13 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:15 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:24 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:30 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:40 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:49 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 22:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 0:10 ` Matt
2002-01-21 0:57 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 1:28 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-21 2:29 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-21 19:15 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 22:02 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 9:21 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21 9:13 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21 15:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 17:51 ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-20 21:24 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:32 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 15:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 22:45 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:11 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 23:40 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:48 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 0:44 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 0:52 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 1:08 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 1:39 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 11:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 12:12 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 13:42 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 13:54 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 14:07 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 17:21 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 17:47 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 19:44 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 20:41 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 21:53 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 6:02 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-22 10:09 ` Tommi Kyntola
2002-01-22 11:39 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 18:41 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-22 19:03 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 20:35 ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-01-23 20:48 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-23 20:55 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-23 23:53 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-01-24 0:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-22 20:19 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 20:50 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 14:03 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 14:39 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 18:46 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 19:19 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:13 ` Steve Lord
2002-01-22 21:22 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:32 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 21:08 ` Chris Mason [this message]
2002-01-22 22:05 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:21 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 0:16 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:10 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-23 1:14 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-23 17:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-22 21:12 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 21:28 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 21:31 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 20:20 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 22:31 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 23:34 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 17:15 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-21 0:28 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 0:47 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 1:01 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 1:21 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 1:26 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 1:40 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 15:49 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-20 21:21 ` Hans Reiser
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-22 21:02 Rolf Lear
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201222008280.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
2002-01-22 23:31 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 23:37 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 5:26 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-23 9:43 Martin Knoblauch
2002-01-23 11:52 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-23 12:02 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 12:11 ` Martin Knoblauch
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201231301560.24338-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
[not found] ` <3C4FC478.BCC44CDF@TeraPort.de>
[not found] ` <3C4FDB80.C9F83EBB@aitel.hist.no>
2002-01-24 13:59 ` Martin Knoblauch
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