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From: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
To: Steve Lord <lord@sgi.com>
Cc: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@turbolabs.com>,
	Shawn Starr <spstarr@sh0n.net>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Possible Idea with filesystem buffering.
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:22:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2124090000.1011734572@tiny> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1011730398.1281.114.camel@jen.americas.sgi.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201221234470.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com> <3C4DB36F.4090306@namesys.com>  <2080500000.1011727185@tiny> <1011730398.1281.114.camel@jen.americas.sgi.com>



On Tuesday, January 22, 2002 02:13:18 PM -0600 Steve Lord <lord@sgi.com>
wrote:

> Looks like I've been missing an interesting thread here ....

Hi Steve ;-)

> 
> Surely flushing pages (and hence cleaning them) is not a bad thing to
> do, provided you do not suck up all the available I/O bandwidth in the
> process. The filesystem decides to clean the pages as it is efficient
> from an I/O point of view. The vm is then free to reuse lots of pages
> it could not before, but it still gets to make the decision about the
> pages being good ones to reuse.

Very true, there are a few different workloads to consider.

1) The box really needs ram right now, and we should do the minimum amount
of work to get it done.  This is usually done by kswapd or a process doing
an allocation.  It should help if the FS gives the VM enough details to
skip pages that require extra allocations (like commit blocks) in favor of
less expensive ones.

2) There's lots of dirty pages around, it would be a good idea to flush
some, regardless of how many pages might be freeable afterwards.  This is
where we want most of the i/o to actually happen, and where we want to give
the FS the most freedom in regards to which pages get written.

> 
> The xfs kernel changes add a call to writepage into the buffer flushing
> path when the data is delayed allocate. We then end up issuing I/O on
> surrounding pages which end up being contiguous on disk and are not
> currently locked by some other thread.

This probably helps in both situations listed, assuming things like HIGHMEM
bounce buffers don't come into play.

-chris


  reply	other threads:[~2002-01-22 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-20  9:04 Possible Idea with filesystem buffering Shawn
2002-01-20 11:31 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 13:56   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 14:21     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 15:13       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:15         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:24           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:30             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:40               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 21:49                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 22:00                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  0:10                   ` Matt
2002-01-21  0:57                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:28                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-21  2:29                       ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-21 19:15                         ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 22:02                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  9:21                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21  9:13                   ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21 15:29               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 17:51       ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-20 21:24         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-20 21:32           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 15:37           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-20 22:45   ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:11     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 23:40       ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-20 23:48         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  0:44           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  0:52             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:08               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:39                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 11:10                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 12:12                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 13:42                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 13:54                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21 14:07                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 17:21                             ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 17:47                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 19:44                                 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-21 20:41                                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21 21:53                                     ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22  6:02                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-22 10:09                                         ` Tommi Kyntola
2002-01-22 11:39                                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 18:41                                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-22 19:03                                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 20:35                                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-01-23 20:48                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-23 20:55                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-23 23:53                                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-01-24  0:01                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-22 20:19                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 20:50                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 14:03                                         ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 14:39                                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 18:46                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 19:19                                               ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 20:13                                                 ` Steve Lord
2002-01-22 21:22                                                   ` Chris Mason [this message]
2002-01-22 20:32                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 21:08                                                   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-22 22:05                                                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:21                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23  0:16                                                         ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 22:10                                                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-23  1:14                                                     ` Stuart Young
2002-01-23 17:16                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-22 21:12                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 21:28                                                     ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 21:31                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 20:20                                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-22 22:31                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-22 23:34                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 17:15                                                 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-21  0:28       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  0:47         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:01           ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:21             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-21  1:26               ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-21  1:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-20 15:49 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-20 21:21   ` Hans Reiser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-22 21:02 Rolf Lear
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201222008280.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
2002-01-22 23:31 ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-22 23:37   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23  5:26     ` Shawn Starr
2002-01-23  9:43 Martin Knoblauch
2002-01-23 11:52 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-23 12:02   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-23 12:11   ` Martin Knoblauch
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201231301560.24338-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found] ` <3C4FC478.BCC44CDF@TeraPort.de>
     [not found]   ` <3C4FDB80.C9F83EBB@aitel.hist.no>
2002-01-24 13:59     ` Martin Knoblauch

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