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From: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.sf.net, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: hung bootup with "drm/radeon/kms: move radeon KMS on/off switch  out of staging."
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:18:58 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21d7e9971002050118h7ff48386v2c8fede0519b8975@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100205090009.GA8272@elte.hu>

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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> * Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie> wrote:
>
>>
>> > If it now does not boot up if all its sub-options are enabled, even of some
>> > of those sub-options are new, does that count as a driver regression? Sure it
>> > does to me ...
>>
>> But it doesn't to anyone else under any reasonable meaning of the word
>> regression.
>
> There are reactions in this thread that contradict your 'anyone else' point.
>
>> The config option states
>> "Choose this option if you want kernel modesetting enabled by default,
>>           and you have a new enough userspace to support this. Running old
>>           userspaces with this enabled will cause pain."
>>
>> Will cause pain sounds painful to me, I can make it seem much worse if
>> you'd like.
>
> Except you are missing that the hang (and the first crash as well) happens on
> brand-new user-space just as much - not just on 'old userspaces'.
>
> The bugs i've triggered are independent of any user-space component - it
> happens with a fresh distro just as much.
>
> As i suggested before, at least the text should be updated to include what
> has been written about CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS in this thread before:
>
>  > This is a completely new driver.  It's only part of the existing drm for
>  > compatibility reasons.  It requires an entirely different graphics stack
>  > above it and works very differently from the old drm stack.
>

Okay I've attached a patch with a revised Kconfig in it.

Does this sound more like reality?

Dave.

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From 0a0c28103e9abf77ac6cf579821e51557f0194aa Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:02:24 +1000
Subject: [PATCH] drm/radeon/kms: change Kconfig text to reflect the new option.

Ingo pointed out that we really don't give the user enough warning to make
a decision here. So revise the Kconfig text with a better warning.

Signed-off-by: Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>
---
 drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/Kconfig |   12 ++++++++----
 1 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)

diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/Kconfig b/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/Kconfig
index 5982321..1c02d23 100644
--- a/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/Kconfig
+++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/Kconfig
@@ -1,10 +1,14 @@
 config DRM_RADEON_KMS
-	bool "Enable modesetting on radeon by default"
+	bool "Enable modesetting on radeon by default - NEW DRIVER"
 	depends on DRM_RADEON
 	help
-	  Choose this option if you want kernel modesetting enabled by default,
-	  and you have a new enough userspace to support this. Running old
-	  userspaces with this enabled will cause pain.
+	  Choose this option if you want kernel modesetting enabled by default.
+
+	  This is a completely new driver. It's only part of the existing drm
+	  for compatibility reasons. It requires an entirely different graphics
+	  stack above it and works very differently from the old drm stack.
+	  i.e. don't enable this unless you know what you are doing it may
+	  cause issues or bugs compared to the previous userspace driver stack.
 
 	  When kernel modesetting is enabled the IOCTL of radeon/drm
 	  driver are considered as invalid and an error message is printed
-- 
1.6.6


  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-05  9:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-01  2:20 [git pull] drm fixes Dave Airlie
2010-02-01  2:53 ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02  8:17   ` [crash, PATCH] Revert "drm/radeon/kms: move radeon KMS on/off switch out of staging." Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02  8:25     ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02 15:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:39         ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04 20:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 21:14             ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-05  0:43               ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-05  7:32                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02  8:35     ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02  8:37       ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02 15:42         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 15:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 20:34         ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04  6:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04  6:39             ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04  7:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04  7:49                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04  7:17             ` hung bootup with " Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 16:48               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 17:08                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 17:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-04 17:36                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 17:36                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 17:54                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 17:59                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 18:12                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 18:15                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 18:56                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:00                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 19:19                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:28                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-04 20:34                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 18:30                           ` Alex Deucher
2010-02-04 19:06                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:18                               ` Alex Deucher
2010-02-04 19:24                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-04 19:34                                   ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04 20:27                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:32                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:53                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2010-02-04 20:22                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:27                                       ` david
2010-02-04 20:33                                       ` Jesse Barnes
2010-02-04 20:57                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:48                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 21:05                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 21:09                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-05  7:56                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-05  8:34                                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-05  9:00                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-05  9:18                                                   ` Dave Airlie [this message]
2010-02-05 10:47                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 21:23                                           ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-04 21:34                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-02-04 21:35                                             ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-06 11:10                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2010-02-02  8:58     ` [crash, PATCH] Revert " Domenico Andreoli
2010-02-02 11:59       ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-02 15:11         ` Domenico Andreoli
2010-02-02 11:56     ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-02 15:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 23:15         ` Jerome Glisse

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