From: "Johan Adolfsson" <johan.adolfsson@axis.com>
To: "Alex Bligh - linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>,
"David Lang" <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>
Cc: "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' (better timing in random.c)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:06:58 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <256901c12a29$03e30580$0a070d0a@axis.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108210042520.32719-100000@dlang.diginsite.com> <608038730.998389316@[169.254.45.213]>
Alex Bligh - linux-kernel <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk> wrote:
> Well, I was arguing that network traffic was sufficiently unobservable
> that it constitutes valid entropy under some circumstances, until I went
> and read the code. It is so (it seems to me) on some i386 versions, where
> the cycle clock is used. It is definitely not (and neither are any of
> the other interrupt timings) where jiffies are used, for a start
> because /proc/interrupts gives you the jiffie count (timer interrupts)
> and the other interrupt counters simultaneously. So my argument is
> that in some situations (where you know are happy with the extent
> to which there is no observation of your wire locally), net IRQs
> are no worse than the other sources of entropy, and sometimes they
> are better (consider keyboards connected by radio). Obviously, in
> cases like 802.11, they are substantially worse (and, no doubt, we
> could omit Robert's patch from things like 802.11 drivers which
> are obvious 'don't do that' cases).
How about improving that with something like this (not test compiled)
static void add_timer_randomness(struct timer_rand_state *state, unsigned
num)
{
__u32 time;
__s32 delta, delta2, delta3;
int entropy = 0;
#if defined (__i386__)
if ( test_bit(X86_FEATURE_TSC, &boot_cpu_data.x86_capability) ) {
__u32 high;
__asm__(".byte 0x0f,0x31"
:"=a" (time), "=d" (high));
num ^= high;
} else {
time = jiffies;
}
#else
+ struct timeval tv;
+ do_gettimeofday(&tv);
+ num ^= tv.tv_usec;
time = jiffies;
#endif
Of course do_gettimeofday() is probably a little to heavyweigt for doing
this,
so how about adding an arch specific macro:
GET_JIFFIES_USEC()
that returns the number of microseconds in the current jiffie and simply
use that to modify the num?
/Johan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-08-21 10:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-08-16 4:36 [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-16 4:40 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16 4:42 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16 4:43 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16 4:44 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16 8:50 ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 14:50 ` Robert Love
2001-08-16 17:02 ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 19:28 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-16 20:19 ` D. Stimits
2001-08-17 0:47 ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 22:56 ` D. Stimits
2001-08-18 5:57 ` Robert Love
2001-08-18 17:44 ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-18 23:41 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 0:38 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19 3:33 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 3:49 ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 7:17 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2001-08-19 18:46 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19 3:12 ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 3:36 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 3:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19 3:57 ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 3:56 ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 14:43 ` lists
2001-08-19 21:34 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:08 ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:18 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:30 ` David Schwartz
2001-08-19 22:38 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:46 ` David Schwartz
2001-08-20 13:25 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 19:48 ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21 8:50 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 7:49 ` David Lang
2001-08-21 9:21 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 10:06 ` Johan Adolfsson [this message]
2001-08-21 18:31 ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:53 ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 18:29 ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:50 ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 21:57 ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 17:08 ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 18:02 ` David Madore
2001-08-19 23:47 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 21:19 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:24 ` David Ford
2001-08-20 10:02 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 10:34 ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 10:47 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 13:07 ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 13:57 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 14:25 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21 1:11 ` Theodore Tso
2001-08-21 1:36 ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21 9:43 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21 9:59 ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 17:19 ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21 18:33 ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 4:33 ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:15 ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:36 ` Robert Love
2001-08-22 6:10 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22 6:26 ` Robert Love
2001-08-22 17:27 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22 8:54 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-22 13:47 ` Chris Friesen
2001-08-19 20:58 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:19 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19 22:29 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 2:26 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-20 23:08 ` Tom Rini
2001-08-17 0:47 ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-17 14:34 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-17 0:47 ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 9:05 ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-17 15:00 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
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