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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, Karl MacMillan <kmacmill@redhat.com>,
	viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, hch@infradead.org,
	Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com, casey@schaufler-ca.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/28] SECURITY: Allow kernel services to override LSM settings for task actions [try #2]
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:36:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <25965.1197329769@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1197322068.18120.176.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>

Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:

> From a config file whose pathname would be provided by libselinux (ala
> the way in which dbusd imports contexts), or directly as a context
> returned by a libselinux function.

That sounds too SELinux specific.  How do I do it so that it works for any
LSM?

Is linking against libselinux is a viable option if it's not available under
all LSM models?  Is it available under all LSM models?  Perhaps Casey can
answer this one.

> > I use to do that, but someone objected...  Possibly Karl MacMillan.
> 
> Yes, but I think I disagreed then too.

So, who's right?

> It doesn't fit with how other users of security_kernel_act_as() will
> likely want to work (they will want to just set the context to a
> specified value, whether one obtained from the client or from some local
> source), nor with how type transitions normally work (exec, with the
> program type as the second type field).  I think it will just cause
> confusion and subtle breakage.

It's causing me lots of confusion as it is.  I have been / am being told by
different people to do different things just in dealing with SELinux, and
various people are raising extra requirements or restrictions beyond that.
There doesn't seem to be a consensus.

It sounds like the best option is just to have the kernel nick the userspace
daemon's security context and use that as is, and junk all the restrictions on
what the daemon can do so that the kernel isn't too restricted.

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-10 23:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-05 19:38 [PATCH 00/28] Permit filesystem local caching [try #2] David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 01/28] KEYS: Increase the payload size when instantiating a key " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 02/28] KEYS: Check starting keyring as part of search " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 03/28] KEYS: Allow the callout data to be passed as a blob rather than a string " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 04/28] KEYS: Add keyctl function to get a security label " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 05/28] Security: Change current->fs[ug]id to current_fs[ug]id() " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 06/28] SECURITY: Separate task security context from task_struct " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 07/28] SECURITY: De-embed task security record from task and use refcounting " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 08/28] SECURITY: Allow kernel services to override LSM settings for task actions " David Howells
2007-12-10 16:46   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 17:07     ` David Howells
2007-12-10 17:23       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 21:08         ` David Howells
2007-12-10 21:27           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 22:26             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 23:44               ` David Howells
2007-12-10 23:56                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 18:34               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:26                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 19:56                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 20:40                     ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 23:36             ` David Howells [this message]
2007-12-10 23:46               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 19:52                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:37               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 20:42                 ` David Howells
2007-12-11 21:18                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 21:34                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 22:43                     ` David Howells
2007-12-11 23:04                       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 15:25                         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 16:51                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 18:12                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 18:34                             ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:44                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:49                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 20:09                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 22:29                                     ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:32                                 ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:29                           ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:33                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 22:49                               ` David Howells
2007-12-13 14:49                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 15:36                                   ` David Howells
2007-12-13 16:23                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 17:01                                       ` David Howells
2007-12-13 17:27                                         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 18:04                                           ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:37                             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 22:52                               ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:25                         ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:20                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:29                             ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:35                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 22:55                               ` David Howells
2007-12-13 14:51                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 16:03                                   ` David Howells
2007-12-19  3:28                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-12-19  5:39                       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-19 14:54                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-19  3:28                   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-12-19 23:38                     ` David Howells
2007-12-12 14:41                 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-12-12 14:53                   ` David Howells
2007-12-12 14:59                     ` Karl MacMillan
2008-01-09 16:51         ` David Howells
2008-01-09 17:27           ` David Howells
2008-01-09 18:11           ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-09 18:56             ` David Howells
2008-01-09 19:19               ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-10 11:09                 ` David Howells
2008-01-14 14:01             ` David Howells
2008-01-14 14:06               ` David Howells
2008-01-15 14:58                 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-23 20:52                   ` David Howells
2008-01-23 22:03                     ` James Morris
2008-01-14 14:52               ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-14 15:19                 ` David Howells
2008-01-15 14:56               ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 16:03                 ` David Howells
2008-01-15 16:08                   ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 18:10                   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-15 19:15                     ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 21:55                       ` David Howells
2008-01-15 22:23                         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 09/28] FS-Cache: Release page->private after failed readahead " David Howells
2007-12-14  3:51   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:42     ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:03       ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 10/28] FS-Cache: Recruit a couple of page flags for cache management " David Howells
2007-12-14  4:08   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:36     ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:00       ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-20 18:33         ` David Howells
2007-12-21  1:08           ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-02 16:27             ` David Howells
2008-01-07 11:33               ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-07 13:09                 ` David Howells
2008-01-08  3:01                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-08 23:51                     ` David Howells
2008-01-09  1:52                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-09 15:45                         ` David Howells
2008-01-09 23:52                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 11/28] FS-Cache: Provide an add_wait_queue_tail() function " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 12/28] FS-Cache: Generic filesystem caching facility " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 13/28] CacheFiles: Add missing copy_page export for ia64 " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 14/28] CacheFiles: Be consistent about the use of mapping vs file->f_mapping in Ext3 " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 15/28] CacheFiles: Add a hook to write a single page of data to an inode " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 16/28] CacheFiles: Permit the page lock state to be monitored " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 17/28] CacheFiles: Export things for CacheFiles " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 18/28] CacheFiles: A cache that backs onto a mounted filesystem " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 19/28] NFS: Use local caching " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 20/28] NFS: Configuration and mount option changes to enable local caching on NFS " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 21/28] NFS: Display local caching state " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 22/28] fcrypt endianness misannotations " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 23/28] AFS: Add TestSetPageError() " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 24/28] AFS: Add a function to excise a rejected write from the pagecache " David Howells
2007-12-14  4:21   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:54     ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:07       ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-20 18:49         ` David Howells
2007-12-21  1:11           ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 25/28] AFS: Improve handling of a rejected writeback " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 26/28] AF_RXRPC: Save the operation ID for debugging " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 27/28] AFS: Implement shared-writable mmap " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 28/28] FS-Cache: Make kAFS use FS-Cache " David Howells

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