From: "Theo de Raadt" <deraadt@openbsd.org>
To: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
Cc: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@google.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, keescook@chromium.org,
jannh@google.com, sroettger@google.com, willy@infradead.org,
gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, usama.anjum@collabora.com,
rdunlap@infradead.org, jorgelo@chromium.org, groeck@chromium.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, pedro.falcato@gmail.com,
dave.hansen@intel.com, linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce mseal
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2024 22:00:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <29248.1706850035@cvs.openbsd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABi2SkWSt=UMFWe9n916ZH16wCzaipKXmEJ5VasQHMr1AxerxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> wrote:
> Even without free.
> I personally do not like the heap getting sealed like that.
>
> Component A.
> p=malloc(4096);
> writing something to p.
>
> Component B:
> mprotect(p,4096, RO)
> mseal(p,4096)
>
> This will split the heap VMA, and prevent the heap from shrinking, if
> this is in a frequent code path, then it might hurt the process's
> memory usage.
>
> The existing code is more likely to use malloc than mmap(), so it is
> easier for dev to seal a piece of data belonging to another component.
> I hope this pattern is not wide-spreading.
>
> The ideal way will be just changing the library A to use mmap.
I think you are lacking some test programs to see how it actually
behaves; the effect is worse than you think, and the impact is immediately
visible to the programmer, and the lesson is clear:
you can only seal objects which you gaurantee never get recycled.
Pushing a sealed object back into reuse is a disasterous bug.
Noone should call this interface, unless they understand that.
I'll say again, you don't have a test program for various allocators to
understand how it behaves. The failure modes described in your docuemnts
are not correct.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-02-02 5:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-01-31 17:50 [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce mseal jeffxu
2024-01-31 17:50 ` [PATCH v8 1/4] mseal: Wire up mseal syscall jeffxu
2024-01-31 17:50 ` [PATCH v8 2/4] mseal: add " jeffxu
2024-02-01 23:11 ` Eric Biggers
2024-02-02 3:30 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 3:54 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02 4:03 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 4:10 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02 4:22 ` Jeff Xu
2024-01-31 17:50 ` [PATCH v8 3/4] selftest mm/mseal memory sealing jeffxu
2024-01-31 17:50 ` [PATCH v8 4/4] mseal:add documentation jeffxu
2024-01-31 19:34 ` [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce mseal Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-01 1:27 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-01 1:46 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-01 16:56 ` Bird, Tim
2024-02-01 1:55 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-01 20:45 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-01 22:24 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02 1:06 ` Greg KH
2024-02-02 3:24 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 3:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-02 3:46 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 15:18 ` Greg KH
2024-02-01 22:37 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-01 22:54 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-01 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-01 23:43 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02 0:26 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02 3:20 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 4:05 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02 4:54 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 5:00 ` Theo de Raadt [this message]
2024-02-02 17:58 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 18:51 ` Pedro Falcato
2024-02-02 21:20 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-04 19:39 ` David Laight
2024-02-02 17:05 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02 21:02 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 3:14 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 15:13 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-02 17:24 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 19:21 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-02 19:32 ` Theo de Raadt
2024-02-02 20:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-02 20:57 ` Jeff Xu
2024-02-02 21:18 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-02 23:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-03 4:45 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-05 22:13 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-02 20:14 ` Jeff Xu
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