Re: Nazi kernels

Re: Nazi kernels

[Rik van Riel]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 lobo@polbox.com wrote:

> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,

Good timing, because after this message you're probably
in everybody's killfiles.  ;)

> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?

The Linux kernel -does- allow you to load non-GPL modules,
as long as those modules are compatible with the kernel you
are running.

regards,

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Nazi kernels

[lobo]

Hi!

Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
executables under linux ?

Regards Przemek

Re: Nazi kernels

[Mike Fedyk]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 04:34:42AM +0100, lobo@polbox.com wrote:
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?
> 

You must be thinking of nvidia's kernel module...

With the new module licenes, they do not keep you from loading or even
making the modules.  It just lets the community know that they don't need to
support bug reports from these kernels.

The *seperate* issue of gpl symbols will also not affect current symbols,
only new symbols that people add in the future.

Mike

PS, I don't think our community needs people who jump to colclusions like
this.  Have you even read LKML?!

Re: Nazi kernels

[John Cavan]

lobo@polbox.com wrote:

 > Hi!
 >
 > Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
 > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
 > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
 > executables under linux ?


I'd suggest that you get a clue about what you're talking about before 
spouting off nonsense. The license code in the kernel doesn't prohibit 
anything, it simply provides a means of determining if the kernel is 
running closed code and thus out of the scope of the kernel maintainers.

Frankly, any comparison of SOFTWARE to the horrific evil of the Nazi 
party is an abomination. For that alone, you really don't earn the price 
of admission to anything involving a brain. I can't begin to fathom the 
thought processes of an individual who would belittle the suffering, 
pain, and sacrifices of those who experience that time period with such 
a comparison.

I'm sure you're proud.

John

Re: Nazi kernels

[Panagiotis Moustafellos]

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> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?
>
> Regards Przemek

Probably, I shouldnt reply, this kind of statements makes
you furious... 
I think you are jumping to conclutions.. who said, or even better,
who prevented you from using these non gpl modules you are refering to?
Reconcider, rtfm, and *jesus* dont use such kinds of subjects, it's
a little heavy an adjective.. ;p
Regards


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Re: Nazi kernels

[Jeff V. Merkey]

Since Windows 2000 is being open sourced (according to the latest settlement
announcement) why don't you try theirs?   Then your servers can get broken
into regularly by hackers, infected with W2K viruses, and you even get to
reboot them at least 3-4 times per week.

:-)

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <lobo@polbox.com>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 8:34 PM
Subject: Nazi kernels


> Hi!
>
> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?
>
> Regards Przemek
>
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Re: Nazi kernels

[Michael H. Warfield]

On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 10:35:56PM -0700, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:
> Since Windows 2000 is being open sourced (according to the latest settlement
> announcement) why don't you try theirs?   Then your servers can get broken
> into regularly by hackers, infected with W2K viruses, and you even get to
> reboot them at least 3-4 times per week.

	Oh, but you missed the mark!  Think Windows XP.  Now there's
the ticket.  If you aren't a Windows XP certified driver, they can
just wipe your driver right off the face of the system...  All in the
name of "stability" (as they define it).  None of this nonsense of
merely flagging if their OS has a non-sanctified driver like Linux.
Linux lets the driver load and run, it merely lets people KNOW that
it's an un-sanctified driver when shit catches fire and burns.  You
know MS.  MS thinks Linux is just a bunch of whimps.  Screw just letting
the user know AFTER something burps and burns.  That's TOO complicated
for a user to figure out and MS has to be "user friendly".  MS is for
men with balls (and no brains)...  Just burn the driver BEFORE it has
a chance to run.  Yeah!  That's the ticket!

	Ooopppsss...  Wait a minute.  That's what the original poster
was falsely complaining about Linux.  Guess he has a bigger case of
optical rectitus that was apparent in his original, obvious, troll.

> :-)

	It would be even funnier if it wasn't so sad...

> Jeff

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <lobo@polbox.com>
> To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 8:34 PM
> Subject: Nazi kernels
> 
> 
> > Hi!
> >
> > Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> > executables under linux ?
> >
> > Regards Przemek
> >
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Re: Nazi kernels

[Alex Buell]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 lobo@polbox.com wrote:

> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?
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I thank you.

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Re: Nazi kernels

[Alan Cox]

> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?

Actually no. We are researching how to stop trolls posting to the kernel
list as our main AI project. 

Alan

Re: Nazi kernels

[Tom Diehl]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Alan Cox wrote:

> Actually no. We are researching how to stop trolls posting to the kernel
> list as our main AI project. 

Good one!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Re: Nazi kernels

[Matt]

Alan Cox mentioned the following:

| > Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
| > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
| > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
| > executables under linux ?
| 
| Actually no. We are researching how to stop trolls posting to the kernel
| list as our main AI project. 

I wrote a Bayesian classifier in Perl for newsgroup articles, (you trained
it on some known articles, then tried to classify some unknowns and saw
how well it guessed based purely on the words found in each post), I see
no reason why you can't refine it to guess which posts are trolls or
not. :-)

Matt
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Re: Nazi kernels

[Bernd Petrovitsch]

In message <20011111043442.A3454@chello062179017166.chello.pl>, lobo@polbox.com
 wrote:
>Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
>because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
>graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
>executables under linux ?

Godwin's law, you loose.
EOT.

	Bernd
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Re: Nazi kernels

[andrea gelmini]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 04:34:42AM +0100, lobo@polbox.com wrote:
> Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> executables under linux ?

you've got the sources. where's the problem?

ciao,
andrea

Re: Nazi kernels

[DevilKin]

>In message <20011111043442.A3454@chello062179017166.chello.pl>, 
>lobo@polbox.com
>  wrote:
> >Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> >because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> >graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> >executables under linux ?

So, you have a problem with those binary drivers. Here's something:

1. Don't compare the fact that people here cannot support closed source 
drivers with what happened during the World War. Just don't. It's 
farfetched and totally wrong.

2. Have you even _looked_ for a solution? I have installed the latest 
kernel yesterday, and everything works fine. I compiled the nvidia modules 
on top of that kernel (2.4.15-pre2), and it works fine. Look and search 
before you start making false accusations!

DK

Re: Nazi kernels

[Marco Colombo]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Alan Cox wrote:

> > Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
> > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> > executables under linux ?
> 
> Actually no. We are researching how to stop trolls posting to the kernel
> list as our main AI project. 

While you're at it, find a way to stop people feeding the trolls, too.
They are much a bigger nuisance than trolls themselves, 20:1 I'd say...

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Re: Nazi kernels

[Telford002]

In a message dated 11/10/01 11:05:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
johnc@damncats.org writes:

> lobo@polbox.com wrote:
>  
>   > Hi!
>   >
>   > Thank You guys for Your work. I'm say goodbye to linux community,
>   > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
>   > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
>   > executables under linux ?
>  
>  
>  I'd suggest that you get a clue about what you're talking about before 
>  spouting off nonsense. The license code in the kernel doesn't prohibit 
>  anything, it simply provides a means of determining if the kernel is 
>  running closed code and thus out of the scope of the kernel maintainers.
>  
>  Frankly, any comparison of SOFTWARE to the horrific evil of the Nazi 
>  party is an abomination. For that alone, you really don't earn the price 
>  of admission to anything involving a brain. I can't begin to fathom the 
>  thought processes of an individual who would belittle the suffering, 
>  pain, and sacrifices of those who experience that time period with such 
>  a comparison.
>  
>  I'm sure you're proud.

The idiom is not new.  I remember that Modula II was called a Nazi
language in the early 80s.  I preferred to call it a Bondage & Discipline
language myself.

Joachim Martillo

Re: Nazi kernels

[Jim Roland]

By the way, I use the NVidia drivers for the kernel and X...as long as the
instructions are followed (to compile) or an RPM is used, it all works fine.
:)


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Fedyk" <mfedyk@matchmail.com>
To: <lobo@polbox.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Nazi kernels


> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 04:34:42AM +0100, lobo@polbox.com wrote:
> > because nazi kernel's don't allow me to load modules needed for my
> > graphic card. What will be next, maybe you disable to run non GPL
> > executables under linux ?
> >
>
> You must be thinking of nvidia's kernel module...
>
> With the new module licenes, they do not keep you from loading or even
> making the modules.  It just lets the community know that they don't need
to
> support bug reports from these kernels.
>
> The *seperate* issue of gpl symbols will also not affect current symbols,
> only new symbols that people add in the future.
>
> Mike
>
> PS, I don't think our community needs people who jump to colclusions like
> this.  Have you even read LKML?!
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