From: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.dev>
To: Charles Keepax <ckeepax@opensource.cirrus.com>, broonie@kernel.org
Cc: lgirdwood@gmail.com, yung-chuan.liao@linux.intel.com,
peter.ujfalusi@linux.intel.com, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, patches@opensource.cirrus.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] ASoC: SDCA: Create DAPM widgets and routes from DisCo
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2025 16:15:24 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2b899796-b9fc-49ef-a4a7-858baa90a36b@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250321163928.793301-2-ckeepax@opensource.cirrus.com>
Thanks for starting this Charles.
> Use the previously parsed DisCo information from ACPI to create DAPM
> widgets and routes representing a SDCA Function. For the most part SDCA
> maps well to the DAPM abstractions.
except when it doesn't, eh?
> The primary point of interest is the SDCA Power Domain Entities
> (PDEs), which actually control the power status of the device. Whilst
> these PDEs are the primary widgets the other parts of the SDCA graph
> are added to maintain a consistency with the hardware abstract, and
> allow routing to take effect.
>
> Other minor points of slightly complexity include, the Group Entities
> (GEs) these set the value of several other controls, typically
> Selector Units (SUs) for enabling a cetain jack configuration. These
> are easily modelled creating a single control and sharing it among
> the controlled muxes.
It wasn't able to follow the last sentence, what are 'these'?
I am not sure we can expose and control any SUs since their configuration is set in hardware depending on the GE settings. IIRC the SU values should be considered as read-only.
> SDCA also has a slight habit of having fully connected paths, relying
> more on activating the PDEs to enable functionality. This doesn't map
> quite so perfectly to DAPM which considers the path a reason to power
> the PDE. Whilst in the current specification Mixer Units are defined as
> fixed-function, in DAPM we create a virtual control for each input. This
> allows paths to be connected/disconnected, providing a more ASoC style
> approach to managing the power.
Humm, maybe my analysis was too naive but the SDCA PDE seemed like a DAPM power supply to me.
When a path becomes active, DAPM turns on the power for you, and power is turned off some time after the path becomes inactive.
Why would we need to have a control to force the power to be turned on?
And there are quite a few topologies without any Mixer Units so can we depend on a solution that's not applicable across all topologies?
And last PDEs are typically related to terminals, while Mixer Units are usually for host-generated streams.
It would also help to define which power levels you wanted to control for PDEs. For me, only PS0 and PS3 can currently be modeled, I have no idea how PS1 with its degraded quality would be used, and PS2 depends on firmware.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-24 21:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-21 16:39 [PATCH 0/3] Add DAPM/ASoC helpers to create SDCA drivers Charles Keepax
2025-03-21 16:39 ` [PATCH 1/3] ASoC: SDCA: Create DAPM widgets and routes from DisCo Charles Keepax
2025-03-24 21:15 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart [this message]
2025-03-25 11:19 ` Charles Keepax
2025-03-25 21:10 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2025-03-26 10:14 ` Charles Keepax
2025-04-14 19:43 ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2025-04-16 9:41 ` Charles Keepax
2025-03-25 16:27 ` Charles Keepax
2025-03-21 16:39 ` [PATCH 2/3] ASoC: SDCA: Create ALSA controls " Charles Keepax
2025-03-21 16:39 ` [PATCH 3/3] ASoC: SDCA: Create DAI drivers " Charles Keepax
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