From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932604AbXG2RTu (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:19:50 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1764187AbXG2RTl (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:19:41 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]:19513 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758973AbXG2RTk (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:19:40 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=oLCddidAKHZunYO/UlaRMFJgRSCN23DUUH2u2puSwn2QV+SBHqpdSoO5irgJ9Ht1lUrs8P2k64sn6VuUxN5kRTvwh3Zq13SZwsCNc+FXCGyWfV05jyJ2ZhDPw6GqncusNTDle+JSCJp3ST13Sn8mWzhZzu9K+q6rqCcvfQSpNBM= Message-ID: <2c0942db0707291019q14f309d0jab3bf083aa37d707@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:19:38 -0700 From: "Ray Lee" To: "Rene Herman" Subject: Re: RFT: updatedb "morning after" problem [was: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23] Cc: "Alan Cox" , david@lang.hm, "Daniel Hazelton" , "Mike Galbraith" , "Andrew Morton" , "Ingo Molnar" , "Frank Kingswood" , "Andi Kleen" , "Nick Piggin" , "Jesper Juhl" , "ck list" , "Paul Jackson" , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <46ACC76A.3080303@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9a8748490707231608h453eefffx68b9c391897aba70@mail.gmail.com> <46AC4B97.5050708@gmail.com> <20070729141215.08973d54@the-village.bc.nu> <46AC9F2C.8090601@gmail.com> <2c0942db0707290758p39fef2e8o68d67bec5c7ba6ab@mail.gmail.com> <46ACAB45.6080307@gmail.com> <2c0942db0707290820r2e31f40flb51a43846169a752@mail.gmail.com> <46ACB40C.2040908@gmail.com> <2c0942db0707290904n4356582dt91ab96b77db1e84e@mail.gmail.com> <46ACC76A.3080303@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7519ee10d46704ca Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 7/29/07, Rene Herman wrote: > On 07/29/2007 06:04 PM, Ray Lee wrote: > >> I am very aware of the costs of seeks (on current magnetic media). > > > > Then perhaps you can just take it on faith -- log structured layouts > > are designed to help minimize seeks, read and write. > > I am particularly bad at faith. Let's take that stupid program that I posted: You only think you are :-). I'm sure there are lots of things you have faith in. Gravity, for example :-). > The program is not a real-world issue and if you do not consider it a useful > boundary condition either (okay I guess), how would log structured swap help > if I just assume I have plenty of free swap to begin with? Is that generally the case on your systems? Every linux system I've run, regardless of RAM, has always pushed things out to swap. And once there's something already in swap, you now have a packing problem when you want to swap something else out.