From: Jeremy Kerr <jk@codeconstruct.com.au>
To: YH Chung <yh_chung@aspeedtech.com>,
"matt@codeconstruct.com.au" <matt@codeconstruct.com.au>,
"andrew+netdev@lunn.ch" <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>,
"edumazet@google.com" <edumazet@google.com>,
"kuba@kernel.org" <kuba@kernel.org>,
"pabeni@redhat.com" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
BMC-SW <BMC-SW@aspeedtech.com>
Cc: Khang D Nguyen <khangng@amperemail.onmicrosoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: mctp: Add MCTP PCIe VDM transport driver
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:31:02 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2fbeb73a21dc9d9f7cffdb956c712ad28ecf1a7f.camel@codeconstruct.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SEZPR06MB5763125EBCAAA4F0C14C939E9051A@SEZPR06MB5763.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Hi YH,
> From my perspective, the other MCTP transport drivers do make use of
> abstraction layers that already exist in the kernel tree. For example,
> mctp-i3c uses i3c_device_do_priv_xfers(), which ultimately invokes
> operations registered by the underlying I3C driver. This is
> effectively an abstraction layer handling the hardware-specific
> details of TX packet transmission.
>
> In our case, there is no standard interface—like those for
> I2C/I3C—that serves PCIe VDM.
But that's not what you're proposing here - your abstraction layer
serves one type of PCIe VDM messaging (MCTP), for only one PCIe VDM MCTP
driver.
If you were proposing adding a *generic* PCIe VDM interface, that is
suitable for all messaging types (not just MCTP), and all PCIe VDM
hardware (not just ASPEED's) that would make more sense. But I think
that would be a much larger task than what you're intending here.
Start small. If we have other use-cases for an abstraction layer, we can
introduce it at that point - where we have real-world design inputs for
it.
Regardless, we have worked out that there is nothing to actually abstract
*anyway*.
> > The direct approach would definitely be preferable, if possible.
> >
> Got it. Then we'll remove the kernel thread and do TX directly.
Super!
> > Excellent question! I suspect we would want a four-byte representation,
> > being:
> >
> > [0]: routing type (bits 0:2, others reserved)
> > [1]: segment (or 0 for non-flit mode)
> > [2]: bus
> > [3]: device / function
> >
> > which assumes there is some value in combining formats between flit- and
> > non-flit modes. I am happy to adjust if there are better ideas.
> >
> This looks good to me—thanks for sharing!
No problem! We'll still want a bit of wider consensus on this, because
we cannot change it once upstreamed.
Cheers,
Jeremy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-17 7:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-14 6:25 [PATCH] net: mctp: Add MCTP PCIe VDM transport driver aspeedyh
2025-07-14 8:54 ` Jeremy Kerr
2025-07-14 12:37 ` YH Chung
2025-07-15 1:08 ` Jeremy Kerr
2025-07-17 3:07 ` YH Chung
2025-07-17 5:37 ` Jeremy Kerr
2025-07-17 7:17 ` YH Chung
2025-07-17 7:31 ` Jeremy Kerr [this message]
2025-07-17 8:21 ` YH Chung
2025-07-17 21:40 ` Adam Young
2025-07-18 3:24 ` Jeremy Kerr
2025-07-17 21:43 ` Adam Young
2025-07-18 5:48 ` Khang D Nguyen
2025-07-18 6:03 ` Jeremy Kerr
2025-07-18 11:05 ` YH Chung
2025-07-15 2:26 ` kernel test robot
2025-07-17 10:39 ` kernel test robot
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