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From: nicolas saenz julienne <nsaenz@kernel.org>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>, Alex Belits <abelits@marvell.com>,
	Xiongfeng Wang <wangxiongfeng2@huawei.com>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <quic_neeraju@quicinc.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Yu Liao <liaoyu15@huawei.com>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <uladzislau.rezki@sony.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 20/21] rcu/context_tracking: Merge dynticks counter and context tracking states
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2022 19:43:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3074f89b32c440749ae4adbe52ae968170bef7ff.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220608142927.GA1735086@lothringen>

Hi Frederic,

On Wed, 2022-06-08 at 16:29 +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 06:15:36PM +0200, nicolas saenz julienne wrote:
> > On Tue, 2022-05-31 at 16:23 +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > But idle at least is an exception and CONTEXT_IDLE will remain during the
> > > interrupt handling. It's not that trivial to handle the idle case because
> > > ct_irq_exit() needs to know that it is called between ct_idle_enter() and
> > > ct_idle_exit().
> >
> > Just for the record, this behaviour was already here regardless of this series,
> > so it's not something it needs to fix.
>
> Right.
>
> >
> > Something like this should work, right?
> >
> >      ct_idle_enter()
> >          //IRQ or NMI
> > 	 if (__ct_state() == CONTEXT_IDLE)
> > 	     ct_idle_exit()
>
> Right but that's one more costly operation (atomic_add_return())
>
> >          ct_irq_enter()
>
> Ideally this should increment by RCU_DYNTICKS_IDX - CONTEXT_IDLE
>
> > 	    ...
> >          ct_irq_exit()
>
> And this should increment by RCU_DYNTICKS_IDX + CONTEXT_IDLE
>
> I guess the CONTEXT_IDLE state should be remembered on some per cpu
> variable somewhere.
>
> BTW one interesting optimization to do when an idle interrupt leads to
> setting need_resched() would be to have:
>
>     idle_loop() {
>         while (!need_resched) {
>             rcu_idle_enter();
> 	    mwait();
> 	    //IRQ {
> 	        rcu_irq_enter();
> 		do_irq()... //set need_resched()
> 		rcu_irq_exit() // but no need to do the atomic_add_return() here
> 		               // since we want to keep RCU watching as we'll
>                                // escape from idle
>             }
> 	    rcu_idle_exit() // and no need to do the atomic_add_return() here either
>
>
> That's two expensive operations spared for a pretty common event.

>
>
>
> > 	 if (needs_update_state()) //using irqentry_state_t for ex.
> > 	     ct_idle_entry()
> >      ct_idle_exit()
> >
> > Note that it's not a big issue as we can work around this behaviour by checking
> > through dynticks whether a CPU is really idle.
> >
> > Do you think it's worth fixing nonetheless?
>
> Nothing urgent for sure.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll think about it.

BTW if you're patient I'll try to make a last test run on v4 of the series next
week.

Regards,
Nicolas

  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-08 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-19 14:58 [PATCH 00/21] rcu/context-tracking: Merge RCU eqs-dynticks counter to context tracking v3 Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 01/21] context_tracking: Remove unused context_tracking_in_user() Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 02/21] rcu: Tag rcu_irq_*_irqson() as noinstr Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 03/21] context_tracking: Add a note about noinstr VS unsafe context tracking functions Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 04/21] context_tracking: Rename __context_tracking_enter/exit() to __ct_user_enter/exit() Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 05/21] context_tracking: Rename context_tracking_user_enter/exit() to user_enter/exit_callable() Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 06/21] context_tracking: Rename context_tracking_enter/exit() to ct_user_enter/exit() Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 07/21] context_tracking: Rename context_tracking_cpu_set() to ct_cpu_track_user() Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 08/21] context_tracking: Split user tracking Kconfig Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 09/21] context_tracking: Take idle eqs entrypoints over RCU Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 10/21] context_tracking: Take IRQ " Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 11/21] context_tracking: Take NMI " Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 12/21] rcu/context-tracking: Remove rcu_irq_enter/exit() Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 13/21] rcu/context_tracking: Move dynticks counter to context tracking Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 14/21] rcu/context_tracking: Move dynticks_nesting " Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 15/21] rcu/context_tracking: Move dynticks_nmi_nesting " Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 16/21] rcu/context-tracking: Move deferred nocb resched " Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 17/21] rcu/context-tracking: Move RCU-dynticks internal functions to context_tracking Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 18/21] rcu/context-tracking: Remove unused and/or unecessary middle functions Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 19/21] context_tracking: Convert state to atomic_t Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 20/21] rcu/context_tracking: Merge dynticks counter and context tracking states Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-30 18:02   ` nicolas saenz julienne
2022-05-31 14:23     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-31 16:15       ` nicolas saenz julienne
2022-06-08 14:29         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-06-08 17:43           ` nicolas saenz julienne [this message]
2022-05-19 14:58 ` [PATCH 21/21] MAINTAINERS: Add Paul as context tracking maintainer Frederic Weisbecker

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