From: "Martin J. Bligh" <Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com>
To: Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>,
Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk <roy@karlsbakk.net>
Cc: Jens Schmidt <j.schmidt@paradise.net.nz>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: secure erasure of files?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:59:28 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <31030000.1014141568@flay> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200202191732.SAA08008@cave.bitwizard.nl>
In-Reply-To: <200202191732.SAA08008@cave.bitwizard.nl>
> Some success is rumored to be able to be achieved by sampling the
> normal signal, and then subtracting the "expected signal assuming the
> current sequence of bits that was read". That way you might be able to
> recover the information that peeks out from below.
It's more than rumour - I've seen this done. Dr Solomon's (whatever
they called their data recovery branch), early 1990's, England.
Maybe it was easier on older hardware like the MFM / RLL disks,
and certainly easier to piece together fragmented data with earlier
file formats.
I believe the point of overwriting 3 times (or whatever) is to reduce
the "subtracted difference" to noise levels where it's no longer useful.
> In practise all this doesn't work: The head will not be mispositioned
> 0.1 track to the same side during the whole revolution. Thus you will
> have parts of the previous data generation peeking out on the left
> side for part of the track and data from the generation before on the
> other side. Which you will see is not predetermined.
This only deals with your first method (which I agree, sounds unlikely
to work).
M.
PS. I've also seen a disk arm being wound across an opened disk
platter by a micrometer strapped to the head by a rubber band,
to recover real data. Most amusing ;-).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-02-19 17:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-02-19 14:48 secure erasure of files? Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-02-19 17:32 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-19 17:59 ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2002-02-19 18:48 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-19 20:01 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-19 23:13 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
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2002-02-19 16:19 Jesse Pollard
2002-02-12 21:14 Torrey Hoffman
[not found] <200202121326.g1CDQct12086@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2002-02-12 13:33 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-02-17 21:19 ` Jan-Frode Myklebust
2002-02-19 12:54 ` Jens Schmidt
2002-02-19 14:24 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-21 2:56 ` Petro
2002-02-21 3:20 ` M. Edward Borasky
2002-02-21 17:01 ` Holger Lubitz
2002-02-26 3:39 ` Petro
2002-02-12 13:12 Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-02-12 13:41 ` Davidovac Zoran
2002-02-12 14:03 ` Padraig Brady
2002-02-12 15:55 ` Andreas Ferber
2002-02-12 19:47 ` Jan Hudec
2002-02-12 20:25 ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-13 0:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-13 9:33 ` Helge Hafting
2002-02-13 18:27 ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-13 0:36 ` Tom Vier
2002-02-13 0:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-20 15:34 ` Bill Davidsen
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