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From: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
To: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New NUMA scheduler and hotplug CPU
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:24:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <31860000.1075159471@flay> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40159C41.9030707@cyberone.com.au>

>> Well isn't it a bad idea to have cpus in the data that are offline?
>> It'll throw off all your balancing calculations, won't it? You seemed
>> to be careful to do things like divide the total load on the node by
>> the number of CPUs on the node, and that'll get totally borked if you
>> have fake CPUs in there.
> 
> I think it mostly does a good job at making sure to only take
> online cpus into account. If there are places where it doesn't
> then it shouldn't be too hard to fix.

It'd make the code a damned sight simpler and cleaner if you dropped
all that stuff, and updated the structures when you hotplugged a CPU,
which is really the only sensible way to do it anyway ...

For instance, if I remove cpu X, then bring back a new CPU on another node
(or in another HT sibling pair) as CPU X, then you'll need to update all
that stuff anyway. CPUs aren't fixed position in that map - the ordering
handed out is arbitrary.

>> To me, it'd make more sense to add the CPUs to the scheduler structures
>> as they get brought online. I can also imagine machines where you have
>> a massive (infinite?) variety of possible CPUs that could appear - 
>> like an NUMA box where you could just plug arbitrary numbers of new
>> nodes in as you wanted.
> 
> I guess so, but you'd still need NR_CPUS to be >= that arbitrary
> number.

Yup ... but you don't have to enumerate all possible positions that way.
See Linus' arguement re dynamic device numbers and ISCSI disks, etc.
Same thing applies.

> Well this would be the problem. I guess its quite possible that
> one doesn't know the topology of newly added CPUs before hand.
> 
> Well OK, this would require a per architecture function to handle
> CPU hotplug. It could possibly just default to arch_init_sched_domains,
> and just completely reinitialise everything which would be the simplest.

Yeah, it's not trivially simple. But then neither is the rest of CPU 
hotplug, to do it right ;-) Requiring CPU hotplug callback hooks does 
seem to be the right way to interface with the sched code though ...

M.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-26 23:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-25 23:50 New NUMA scheduler and hotplug CPU Rusty Russell
2004-01-26  8:26 ` Nick Piggin
2004-01-26 16:34   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-26 23:01     ` Nick Piggin
2004-01-26 23:24       ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2004-01-26 23:40         ` Nick Piggin
2004-01-27  2:36         ` Rusty Russell
2004-01-27  4:38           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-27  5:39             ` Nick Piggin
2004-01-27  7:19               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-27 15:27                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-28  0:23                   ` Rusty Russell
2004-01-26 23:40       ` Andrew Theurer
2004-01-27  0:07         ` Nick Piggin
2004-01-27  2:21           ` Andrew Theurer
2004-01-27  2:40             ` Nick Piggin
2004-01-27  0:09         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-27  2:19           ` Andrew Theurer

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