From: "Sean" <seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
To: "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@osdl.org>,
"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
arjan@infradead.org, mingo@elte.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
torvalds@osdl.org, arjanv@infradead.org, nico@cam.org,
jes@trained-monkey.org, zwane@arm.linux.org.uk, oleg@tv-sign.ru,
dhowells@redhat.com, bcrl@kvack.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
hch@infradead.org, ak@suse.de, rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [patch 0/9] mutex subsystem, -V4
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:49:17 -0500 (EST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP04B55F85E952E6722013B5AE300@CEZ.ICE> (raw)
Message-ID: <32801.10.10.10.28.1135295357.squirrel@linux1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051222233416.GA14182@infradead.org>
On Thu, December 22, 2005 6:34 pm, Christoph Hellwig said:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 03:30:14PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> No it does not.
>>
>> Ingo's work has shown us two things:
>>
>> a) semaphores use more kernel text than they should and
>>
>> b) semaphores are less efficient than they could be.
>>
>> Fine. Let's update the semaphore implementation to fix those things.
>> Nobody has addressed this code in several years. If we conclusively
>> cannot
>> fix these things then that's the time to start looking at implementing
>> new
>> locking mechanisms.
>
> c) semaphores are total overkill for 99% percent of the users. Remember
> this thing about optimizing for the common case?
>
> Pretty much everywhere we do want mutex semantic. So let's have a proper
> primitive exactly for that, and we can keep the current semaphore
> implementation (with a much simpler implementation) for that handfull of
> users in the kernel that really want a counting semaphore.
>
> I really don't get why you hate mutex primitives so much.
>
Yes it's hard to figure. It seems to be deeper than just hating mutex
primitives, he hates the timer core updates that come from Ingo too; this
may be a general dislike for all things -rt.
Sean
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-12-22 23:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-12-22 11:41 [patch 0/9] mutex subsystem, -V4 Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 11:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-22 12:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 15:34 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 15:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 16:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 16:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 16:58 ` Russell King
2005-12-22 21:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 21:26 ` Russell King
2005-12-22 21:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 21:37 ` [patch 1/2] mutex subsystem: basic per arch fast path primitives Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 21:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-22 21:40 ` [patch 2/2] mutex subsystem: use the per architecture fast path lock_unlock defines Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 21:54 ` [patch 0/9] mutex subsystem, -V4 Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 16:58 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 17:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-22 17:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-22 18:24 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 11:54 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-22 12:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 13:07 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-22 13:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-22 13:44 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-22 14:11 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-22 23:30 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-22 23:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <32801.10.10.10.28.1135295357.squirrel@linux1>
2005-12-22 23:49 ` Sean [this message]
2005-12-22 23:53 ` Randy.Dunlap
[not found] ` <50572.10.10.10.28.1135296023.squirrel@linux1>
2005-12-23 0:00 ` Sean
2005-12-23 0:00 ` Steven Rostedt
[not found] ` <20051222221311.2f6056ec.akpm@osdl.org>
2005-12-23 14:24 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-23 14:51 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-23 14:57 ` Russell King
2005-12-23 15:04 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-12-23 15:27 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-23 15:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-03 17:54 ` Abhijit Bhopatkar
2005-12-25 16:08 ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-25 22:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-26 21:49 ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-25 23:04 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-25 23:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-26 10:35 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-26 10:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-26 11:11 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-26 17:15 ` Mike Galbraith
2005-12-26 17:44 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-27 0:32 ` David Lang
2005-12-26 18:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-27 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-27 23:02 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-26 0:33 ` Moore's law (was Re: [patch 0/9] mutex subsystem, -V4) Pavel Machek
2006-01-05 15:30 ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-05 19:08 ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-26 15:29 ` [patch 0/9] mutex subsystem, -V4 Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 15:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-12-22 17:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-22 20:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-22 17:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-22 15:19 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 21:43 ` Paul Mackerras
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