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From: "Sean" <seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
To: "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@osdl.org>,
	"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	arjan@infradead.org, mingo@elte.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@osdl.org, arjanv@infradead.org, nico@cam.org,
	jes@trained-monkey.org, zwane@arm.linux.org.uk, oleg@tv-sign.ru,
	dhowells@redhat.com, bcrl@kvack.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	hch@infradead.org, ak@suse.de, rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [patch 0/9] mutex subsystem, -V4
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:49:17 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP04B55F85E952E6722013B5AE300@CEZ.ICE> (raw)
Message-ID: <32801.10.10.10.28.1135295357.squirrel@linux1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051222233416.GA14182@infradead.org>

On Thu, December 22, 2005 6:34 pm, Christoph Hellwig said:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 03:30:14PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> No it does not.
>>
>> Ingo's work has shown us two things:
>>
>> a) semaphores use more kernel text than they should and
>>
>> b) semaphores are less efficient than they could be.
>>
>> Fine.  Let's update the semaphore implementation to fix those things.
>> Nobody has addressed this code in several years.  If we conclusively
>> cannot
>> fix these things then that's the time to start looking at implementing
>> new
>> locking mechanisms.
>
> c) semaphores are total overkill for 99% percent of the users.  Remember
> this thing about optimizing for the common case?
>
> Pretty much everywhere we do want mutex semantic.  So let's have a proper
> primitive exactly for that, and we can keep the current semaphore
> implementation (with a much simpler implementation) for that handfull of
> users in the kernel that really want a counting semaphore.
>
> I really don't get why you hate mutex primitives so much.
>

Yes it's hard to figure.  It seems to be deeper than just hating mutex
primitives, he hates the timer core updates that come from Ingo too; this
may be a general dislike for all things -rt.

Sean


  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-22 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-22 11:41 [patch 0/9] mutex subsystem, -V4 Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 11:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-22 12:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 15:34   ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 15:40     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 16:32       ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 16:44         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 16:58           ` Russell King
2005-12-22 21:04             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 21:26               ` Russell King
2005-12-22 21:27               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 21:37                 ` [patch 1/2] mutex subsystem: basic per arch fast path primitives Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 21:53                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-22 21:40                 ` [patch 2/2] mutex subsystem: use the per architecture fast path lock_unlock defines Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 21:54                 ` [patch 0/9] mutex subsystem, -V4 Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 16:58           ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 17:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-22 17:33     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-22 18:24       ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 11:54 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-22 12:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22 13:07     ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-22 13:23       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-22 13:44         ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-22 14:11           ` Alan Cox
2005-12-22 23:30             ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-22 23:34               ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                 ` <32801.10.10.10.28.1135295357.squirrel@linux1>
2005-12-22 23:49                   ` Sean [this message]
2005-12-22 23:53                     ` Randy.Dunlap
     [not found]                       ` <50572.10.10.10.28.1135296023.squirrel@linux1>
2005-12-23  0:00                         ` Sean
2005-12-23  0:00                       ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                 ` <20051222221311.2f6056ec.akpm@osdl.org>
2005-12-23 14:24                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-23 14:51                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-23 14:57                       ` Russell King
2005-12-23 15:04                         ` Xavier Bestel
2005-12-23 15:27                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-23 15:00                       ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-03 17:54                       ` Abhijit Bhopatkar
2005-12-25 16:08                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-25 22:54                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-26 21:49                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-25 23:04                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-25 23:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-26 10:35                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-26 10:42                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-26 11:11                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-26 17:15                             ` Mike Galbraith
2005-12-26 17:44                               ` Lee Revell
2005-12-27  0:32                             ` David Lang
2005-12-26 18:15                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-27 14:42                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-27 23:02                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-26  0:33                     ` Moore's law (was Re: [patch 0/9] mutex subsystem, -V4) Pavel Machek
2006-01-05 15:30                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-05 19:08                         ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-26 15:29                     ` [patch 0/9] mutex subsystem, -V4 Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 15:46           ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-12-22 17:40             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-22 20:09               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-22 17:17           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-22 15:19       ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22 21:43       ` Paul Mackerras

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