From: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
To: Aaron Gyes <floam@sh.nu>
Cc: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <gilbertd@treblig.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Subject: Re: Can't use SYSFS for "Proprietry" driver modules !!!.
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:30:41 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <32bdf7ca3e679d0b61d1ae06d69d1623@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1111951014.9831.4.camel@localhost>
On Mar 27, 2005, at 14:16, Aaron Gyes wrote:
> So what? Sure, GPL'd drivers are easier for an end-user in that case.
> What does that have to do with law?
Well, under most interpretations of the GPL, you are *NOT* allowed to
even _link_ non-GPL code with GPL code. (Basically, by distributing such
a linked binary, you are certifying that you have permission to GPL the
entire source-code and are doing so.
> What about what's better for the company that made the device?
Who says that free maintenance and bugfixes *isn't* better for said
company?
> Should NVIDIA be forced to give up their secrets to all their
> competitors because some over zealous developers say so?
We don't care about their secrets, we just want to be able to interface
with their hardware. Really, we don't care how the hardware does what
it does internally, we just care how to tell it to do that. It's the
difference between telling an artist to paint a big picture and
watching every thought he makes while he does the painting with a brain
scanner.
> Should the end-users of the current drivers be forced to lose out
> on features such as sysfs and udev compatability?
Should the end-users even *have* features such as sysfs and udev? If
the *open-source* developers hadn't *opened* their *source*, then that
code wouldn't exist. One condition they made when they gave that code
for free was that *only* people who also gave their code for free
could use it.
> I love Linux, and a I love that free software has become mildly
> successful, but the zealots are hurting both.
On the contrary, the zealots are what protect us from the even worse
proprietary software zealots. You may not agree with them, but if
there were only one kind of zealot then the world would be much
worse off.
Cheers,
Kyle Moffett
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-03-27 19:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-03-27 1:15 Can't use SYSFS for "Proprietry" driver modules !!! Aaron Gyes
2005-03-27 1:29 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-27 2:55 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-27 8:57 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-27 17:09 ` Willy Tarreau
[not found] ` <1111913399.6297.28.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
2005-03-27 17:40 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-27 17:52 ` Dave Airlie
2005-03-27 17:58 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-27 18:04 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-03-27 18:35 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 18:46 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-27 19:16 ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-27 19:30 ` Kyle Moffett [this message]
2005-03-28 1:54 ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-28 9:27 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-28 12:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 13:12 ` linux-os
2005-03-28 13:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 14:50 ` Jan Engelhardt
[not found] ` <1112016850.6003.13.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
2005-03-28 13:57 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 23:43 ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29 0:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-29 0:56 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-29 1:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-29 12:15 ` linux-os
2005-03-29 12:29 ` Sean
2005-03-30 19:47 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 19:57 ` linux-os
2005-03-31 11:35 ` Sean
2005-03-31 12:34 ` linux-os
2005-03-31 14:20 ` Sean
2005-03-31 22:55 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-30 23:30 ` John Pearson
2005-04-03 14:07 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-03-29 16:31 ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-30 14:38 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-03-30 19:49 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 1:22 ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29 1:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 20:47 ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-27 19:37 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 21:22 ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-27 23:09 ` Greg KH
2005-03-28 13:14 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-03-27 18:12 ` Greg KH
2005-03-29 1:04 ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29 3:33 ` Greg KH
2005-03-29 4:03 ` Zan Lynx
2005-03-29 4:44 ` Greg KH
2005-04-03 23:41 ` Mark Lord
2005-04-04 4:01 ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-04 7:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-29 4:28 ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29 4:45 ` Greg KH
2005-03-29 5:01 ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29 5:05 ` Greg KH
2005-03-29 5:29 ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29 5:37 ` Brian Gerst
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-28 2:04 Aaron Gyes
2005-03-28 1:03 Albert Cahalan
2005-03-27 7:21 Manfred Spraul
2005-03-27 5:20 Chuck Ebbert
2005-03-26 17:52 Mark Fortescue
2005-03-26 18:28 ` Greg KH
2005-03-26 20:34 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-26 20:46 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-27 0:48 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <1111885480.1312.9.camel@mindpipe>
2005-03-27 3:20 ` Greg KH
2005-03-27 3:30 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-27 18:10 ` Greg KH
2005-03-27 18:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-27 22:01 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 23:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 1:39 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-28 1:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 9:31 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-28 14:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 22:41 ` Dave Airlie
2005-03-28 0:53 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-03-27 15:04 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-28 3:56 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-03-29 2:37 ` Coywolf Qi Hunt
2005-03-29 5:58 ` Jim Crilly
2005-03-28 16:52 ` Mark Fortescue
2005-03-28 18:38 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 3:36 ` Greg KH
2005-03-29 6:17 ` Kevin Puetz
2005-03-27 12:42 ` Sean
2005-03-27 13:53 ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-03-27 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-28 13:12 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-03-29 3:41 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-29 1:53 ` David Schwartz
2005-03-29 2:06 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-29 19:00 ` David Schwartz
2005-03-30 14:15 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-02 2:11 ` David Schwartz
2005-03-27 20:50 ` James Courtier-Dutton
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