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From: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
	"Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.4.x write barriers (updated for ext3)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:55:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3746210000.1014911746@tiny> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200202281536.g1SFaqF02079@localhost.localdomain>
In-Reply-To: <200202281536.g1SFaqF02079@localhost.localdomain>



On Thursday, February 28, 2002 09:36:52 AM -0600 James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com> wrote:

> Doug Gilbert prompted me to re-examine my notions about SCSI drive caching, 
> and sure enough the standard says (and all the drives I've looked at so far 
> come with) write back caching enabled by default.

Really.  Has it always been this way?

> 
> Since this is a threat to the integrity of Journalling FS in power failure 
> situations now, I think it needs to be addressed with some urgency.
> 
> The "quick fix" would obviously be to get the sd driver to do a mode select at 
> probe time to turn off the WCE and RCD bits (this will place the cache into 
> write through mode), which would match the assumptions all the JFSs currently 
> make.  I'll see if I can code up a quick patch to do this.

Ok.

> 
> A longer term solution might be to keep the writeback cache but send down a 
> SYNCHRONIZE CACHE command as part of the back end completion of a barrier 
> write, so the fs wouldn't get a completion until the write was done and all 
> the dirty cache blocks flushed to the medium.

Right, they could just implement ORDERED_FLUSH in the barrier patch.

> 
> Clearly, there would also have to be a mechanism to flush the cache on 
> unmount, so if this were done by ioctl, would you prefer that the filesystem 
> be in charge of flushing the cache on barrier writes, or would you like the sd 
> device to do it transparently?

How about triggered by closing the block device.  That would also cover
people like oracle that do stuff to the raw device.

-chris


  reply	other threads:[~2002-02-28 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-22 15:57 [PATCH] 2.4.x write barriers (updated for ext3) James Bottomley
2002-02-22 16:10 ` Chris Mason
2002-02-22 16:13 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-02-22 17:36   ` James Bottomley
2002-02-22 18:14     ` Chris Mason
2002-02-28 15:36       ` James Bottomley
2002-02-28 15:55         ` Chris Mason [this message]
2002-02-28 17:58           ` Mike Anderson
2002-02-28 18:12           ` Chris Mason
2002-03-01  2:08             ` James Bottomley
2002-03-03 22:11         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04  3:34           ` Chris Mason
2002-03-04  5:05             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04 15:03               ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 17:04                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 17:16                   ` Chris Mason
2002-03-04 18:05                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 18:28                       ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 19:55                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 19:48                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04 19:57                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 21:06                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05 14:58                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-05  7:48                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-03-04 19:51                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05  7:42                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-03-04 17:35                   ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 17:48                     ` Chris Mason
2002-03-04 18:11                       ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 18:41                         ` Chris Mason
2002-03-04 21:34                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 18:09                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04  8:19             ` Helge Hafting
2002-03-04 14:57             ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 17:24               ` Chris Mason
2002-03-04 19:02                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05  7:22               ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-03-05 23:01                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04  4:21           ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-03-04  5:31             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04  6:09               ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-03-04  7:57                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05  7:09                   ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-03-05 22:56                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04 16:52                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 18:15                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05  7:40                     ` Jens Axboe
2002-03-05 22:29                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-12  7:01                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-03-10  5:24                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-03-11 11:13                     ` Kurt Garloff
2002-03-12  1:17                       ` GOTO Masanori
2002-03-12  6:58                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-03-13 22:37                         ` Peter Osterlund
2002-03-11 11:34                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-11 17:15                       ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 14:48           ` James Bottomley
2002-03-06 13:59             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-06 14:34               ` James Bottomley
2002-02-25 10:57 ` Helge Hafting
2002-02-25 15:04   ` James Bottomley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-01 15:26 Dieter Nützel
2002-03-01 16:00 ` James Bottomley
2002-02-21 23:30 Chris Mason
2002-02-22 14:19 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-02-22 15:26   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-10  9:55 [ANNOUNCE] FUSE: Filesystem in Userspace 0.95 Miklos Szeredi
2002-01-13  3:10 ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-21 10:18   ` Miklos Szeredi
2002-01-23 10:47     ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-22 19:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-23  2:33   ` [Avfs] " Justin Mason
2002-01-23  5:26     ` Daniel Phillips

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