From: Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@gmail.com>
To: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
riel <riel@redhat.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Tim Pepper <lnxninja@us.ibm.com>, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:10:10 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <385091802.23116@ustc.edu.cn> (raw)
Message-ID: <20070722081010.GA6317@mail.ustc.edu.cn> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070722024428.GA724@redhat.com>
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 10:44:28PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 10:39:23AM +0800, Fengguang Wu wrote:
>
> > It makes sense to raise it beyond 128K. 1M default readahead
> > absolutely makes sense for sequential workloads. For the desktop,
> > this increases boot speed and readahead misses, both due to more
> > aggressive mmap read-around. Most users will be glad to feel the
> > speedup, and happily ignore the readahead misses, which may be
> > "invisible" in case of large memory.
> >
> > In theory, the distributions can do the same tuning. So we have an
> > interesting question for Dave:
> > Does fedora desktop raise the default readahead size? Why or
> > why not? It goes so far to do userland readahead ;)
>
> Fedora takes whatever defaults for readahead the kernel.org kernel has.
> The only reasoning being if anyone reported VM bugs, we'd be able
> to say to interested upstream developers "we're running the stock VM".
> without having to get the user to try and reproduce on unpatched
> kernels.
Thank you. Now I'm more confident that the kernel should have a
reasonable default readahead size. The current one is 5+ years old and
should be updated now.
> > - drop behind
> >
> > Sorry, I still doubt it will benefit all/most workloads. Leave it off
> > by default, and leave the enabling decision to Dave? I do hope that
> > it help general desktops.
>
> It's not a subject that I'm intimatly familiar with, and when it
> comes to decisions like this, I tend to just take whatever the
> upstream defaults are.
- It will avoid large-file-reads-thrashing-my-desktop problem,
so most desktop users should like it. But sure there will be counter
cases when a user want to keep the data cached.
- File servers may hurt from it. Imagine a mp3/png file server. The
files are large enough to trigger drop-behind, but small (and hot)
enough to be cached. Also when a new fedora DVD iso is released, it
may be cached for some days. These are only the obvious cases.
So I opt for it being made tunable, safe, and turned off by default.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-22 8:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-21 21:00 [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] readahead: drop behind Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 20:29 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 20:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 20:59 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 21:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-25 3:55 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] readahead: fadvise drop behind controls Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] readahead: scale max readahead size depending on memory size Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22 8:24 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22 8:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22 8:50 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22 16:44 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-23 10:04 ` Jörn Engel
2007-07-23 10:11 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-23 22:44 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-22 23:52 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-23 5:22 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20070722084526.GB6317@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 8:45 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 8:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20070722095313.GA8136@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 9:53 ` Fengguang Wu
[not found] ` <20070722023923.GA6438@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 2:39 ` [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 2:44 ` Dave Jones
[not found] ` <20070722081010.GA6317@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 8:10 ` Fengguang Wu [this message]
2007-07-22 8:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20070722082923.GA7790@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-22 8:29 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22 8:33 ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-22 8:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-23 9:00 ` Nick Piggin
[not found] ` <20070723142457.GA10130@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-23 14:24 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-23 19:40 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20070724004728.GA8026@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2007-07-24 0:47 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-24 1:17 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 8:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-24 4:30 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 4:35 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 5:19 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 6:18 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 7:09 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25 7:48 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 15:36 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-25 15:33 ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29 7:44 ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
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2007-07-22 11:11 Al Boldi
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