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From: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Peter Zaitsev <peter@mysql.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	riel@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.4.23aa2 (bugfixes and important VM improvements for the high end)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:42:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <39960000.1078512175@flay> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040305145837.GZ4922@dualathlon.random>

> It's a nogo for 64G but I would be really pleased to see a workload
> triggering the zone-normal shortage in 32G, I've never seen any one. And
> 16G has even more margin.

The things I've seen consume ZONE_NORMAL (which aren't reclaimable) are:

1. mem_map (obviously) (64GB = 704MB of mem_map)

2. Buffer_heads (much improved in 2.6, though not completely gone IIRC)

3. Pagetables (pte_highmem helps, pmds are existant, but less of a problem,
10,000 tasks would be 117MB)

4. Kernel stacks (10,000 tasks would be 78MB - 4K stacks would help obviously)

5. rmap chains - this is the real killer without objrmap (even 1000 tasks 
sharing a 2GB shmem segment will kill you without large pages).

6. vmas - wierdo Oracle things before remap_file_pages especially.

I may have forgotten some, but I think those were the main ones. 10,000 tasks
is a little heavy, but it's easy to scale the numbers around. I guess my main
point is that it's often as much to do with the number of tasks as it is
with just the larger amount of memory - but bigger machines tend to run more
tasks, so it often goes hand-in-hand.

Also bear in mind that as memory gets tight, the reclaimable things like
dcache and icache will get shrunk, which will hurt performance itself too,
so some of the cost of 4/4 is paid back there too. Without shared pagetables,
we may need highpte even on 4/4, which kind of sucks (can be 10% or so hit).

M.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-03-05 18:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-27  1:33 2.4.23aa2 (bugfixes and important VM improvements for the high end) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-27  4:38 ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-27 17:32   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-27 19:08     ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-27 20:29       ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-27 20:49         ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-27 20:55           ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-27 21:28           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-27 21:37             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-28  3:22             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-01 11:10           ` Nikita Danilov
2004-02-27 21:15         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-27 22:03           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-27 22:23             ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-28  2:32             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-28  4:57               ` Wim Coekaerts
2004-02-28  6:18                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-28  6:45                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-28  7:05                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-28  9:19                       ` Dave Hansen
2004-03-18  2:44                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]                   ` <20040228061838.GO8834@dualathlon.random.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2004-02-28 12:46                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-02-29  1:39                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-29  2:29                         ` Andi Kleen
2004-02-29 16:34                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-28  6:10               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-28  6:43                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-28  7:00                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-28  7:29                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-28 14:55                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-02-28 15:06                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-02-29  1:43                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]                           ` < 1078370073.3403.759.camel@abyss.local>
2004-03-04  3:14                           ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-03-04  3:33                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-04  3:44                               ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-03-04  4:07                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-04  4:44                                   ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-03-04  4:52                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-04  5:10                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-04  5:27                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-04  5:38                                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-05 20:19                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-05 20:33                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05 21:44                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-04 12:12                                     ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-04 16:21                                     ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-03-04 18:13                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-04 17:35                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-04 18:16                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-04 19:31                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-04 20:21                                     ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-03-05 10:33                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-05 14:15                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05 14:32                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-05 14:58                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05 15:26                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-05 15:53                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-07  8:41                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-07 10:29                                               ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-07 17:33                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-08  5:15                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-07 17:24                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05 21:28                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-05 18:42                                         ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2004-03-05 19:13                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05 19:55                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-05 20:29                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05 20:41                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-05 21:07                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05 22:12                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-05 14:34                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-05 14:59                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05 15:02                                         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                           ` <20040305150225.GA13237@elte.hu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2004-03-05 15:51                                             ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-05 16:23                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-05 16:39                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-07  8:16                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-10 13:21                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-05 16:42                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05 16:49                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-05 16:58                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05 20:11                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-06  5:12                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-06 12:56                                               ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2004-03-06 13:13                                                 ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2004-03-07 11:55                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-07  6:50                                           ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-03-02  9:10                 ` Kurt Garloff
2004-03-02 15:32                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-27 21:42         ` Hugh Dickins
2004-02-27 23:18         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-02-27 22:39           ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-27 20:31       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-02-29  6:34       ` Mike Fedyk
     [not found] <20040304175821.GO4922@dualathlon.random>
2004-03-04 22:14 ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-04 23:24   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-05  3:43     ` Rik van Riel
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     [not found]                     ` <1x0qG-Dr-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-12 21:15                       ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-18 19:50                         ` Peter Zaitsev
     [not found]               ` <1woEJ-7Yx-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
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2004-03-12 21:25                         ` Andi Kleen

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