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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
To: hugh@mimosa.com
Cc: Tim Riker <Tim@Rikers.org>, Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: non-gcc linux?
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:31:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A01EB44.924D164A@mandrakesoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011021655260.8398-100000@redshift.mimosa.com>

"D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote:
> Being GCC-dependent is rather parochial.  Being GCC-version-dependent
> is downright embarrassing.
> 
> Summary: spurious GCC-isms are a bad thing.

Summary:  You have no clue about kernel<->gcc interdependencies and
issues.


> - use ISO C 89 when possible (without undue pain)
> 
> - use IOS C 99 when advantageous
> 
> - use GCCisms for the remainder of appropriate things BUT embed them
>   in macros defined in header so that they can be systematically
>   replaced.  Using these macros probably makes the code more readable.
>   Use of any GCCism should probably be justified in commentary.
> 
> This would improve the code *and* make it more portable.

Why does this improve the code?  It gets slower and uglier and more
difficult to maintain.

Why does this make the code more portable?  gcc is already highly
portable, and so it the kernel.  This too gains us nothing.

Removing gcc-isms without a pragmatic reason -- and no, ISO C compliancy
is not a pragmatic reason -- is silly, extra work for little or no
value.

	Jeff


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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-02 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-01 22:40 Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10 ? J . A . Magallon
2000-11-01 22:53 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02  1:12   ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-02  2:47     ` J . A . Magallon
2000-11-02  3:26       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-02 11:40         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01 22:57 ` Kurt Garloff
2000-11-01 22:47   ` David S. Miller
2000-11-01 22:45     ` Gérard Roudier
2000-11-01 23:07     ` Ben Pfaff
2000-11-01 23:12       ` David S. Miller
2000-11-01 23:11     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01 23:15       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-01 23:21     ` Tom Rini
2000-11-01 23:30       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01 23:36         ` Tom Rini
2000-11-02  0:22         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-02  4:50           ` Mike Galbraith
2000-11-02  4:59             ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-01 23:37     ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-11-01 23:29       ` David S. Miller
2000-11-01 23:54         ` Cort Dougan
2000-11-01 23:45           ` David S. Miller
2000-11-02  0:00             ` Cort Dougan
2000-11-02  0:54               ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02  0:21             ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-11-02  0:11               ` David S. Miller
2000-11-02  0:32                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-02  0:59                   ` Bill Nottingham
2000-11-02 18:55                   ` non-gcc linux? (was Re: Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10?) Tim Riker
2000-11-02 19:07                     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02 19:07                       ` Tim Riker
2000-11-02 19:24                         ` Ben Ford
2000-11-02 19:31                           ` Tim Riker
2000-11-02 20:37                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-11-02 20:53                               ` Tim Riker
2000-11-02 21:06                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2000-11-02 21:21                                   ` non-gcc linux? Tim Riker
2000-11-04 11:30                                   ` non-gcc linux? (was Re: Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10?) Kai Henningsen
2000-11-02 22:46                                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-11-02 23:16                                   ` Tim Riker
2000-11-03 12:02                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-02 20:53                         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02 21:04                           ` Tim Riker
2000-11-02 21:17                             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02 21:23                               ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-02 21:27                                 ` non-gcc linux? Tim Riker
2000-11-02 21:41                                   ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-02 21:43                                     ` Tim Riker
2000-11-03  7:21                                   ` Gábor Lénárt
2000-11-04 11:39                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-04 11:37                               ` non-gcc linux? (was Re: Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10?) Kai Henningsen
2000-11-07 16:33                         ` Jes Sorensen
2000-11-07 20:52                           ` Tim Riker
2000-11-07 21:06                             ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-07 22:08                               ` David Lang
2000-11-07 21:36                                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-08  0:04                             ` yodaiken
2000-11-02 19:18                       ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-02 19:17                         ` non-gcc linux? Tim Riker
2000-11-02 19:52                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-02 20:00                             ` Tim Riker
2000-11-02 20:29                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-02 22:23                               ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2000-11-02 22:31                                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2000-11-03 22:02                                   ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2000-11-04  5:34                         ` non-gcc linux? (was Re: Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10?) Aaron Sethman
2000-11-04  9:18                           ` non-gcc linux? Tim Riker
2000-11-04 10:58                             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-05 20:52                               ` Tim Riker
2000-11-05 21:06                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2000-11-05 21:18                                   ` Tim Riker
2000-11-05 22:42                                   ` Marc Lehmann
2000-11-05 23:05                                     ` Tim Riker
2000-11-06  0:05                                       ` Marc Lehmann
2000-11-06  8:53                                       ` Thomas Pornin
2000-11-05 23:26                                     ` Ion Badulescu
2000-11-06  6:34                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-05 22:46                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-11-05 22:45                                 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-05 22:52                                   ` Tim Riker
2000-11-04 12:20                             ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-06 17:14                           ` non-gcc linux? (was Re: Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10?) Ralf Baechle
2000-11-02 20:21                     ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-02 20:27                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2000-11-04 12:24                       ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-05  3:28                         ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-05 13:03                           ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-03 11:33                     ` Thomas Pornin
2000-11-04 11:19                     ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-02  2:42             ` Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10 ? Marc Lehmann
2000-11-02 21:24             ` Gérard Roudier
2000-11-02 22:37               ` David S. Miller
2000-11-02  6:28           ` Jakub Jelinek
2000-11-02  0:11         ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-11-02  0:06           ` David S. Miller
2000-11-02  0:22           ` Tom Rini
2000-11-02  0:26           ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-02  0:56           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02  0:17     ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2000-11-02  0:30       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-02  1:01         ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2000-11-01 23:04   ` George
2000-11-02  1:08     ` Jan Dvorak
2000-11-01 23:12   ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-11-04  4:25 non-gcc linux? Bryan Sparks
     [not found] <fa.fvk85sv.1oigpiv@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.cq7bdsv.gggbio@ifi.uio.no>
2000-11-06  0:34   ` Russ Allbery
2000-11-06  1:01     ` Tim Riker
2000-11-06 23:14       ` Adam Sampson

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