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From: Tim Riker <Tim@Rikers.org>
To: Marc Lehmann <pcg@goof.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: non-gcc linux?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 16:05:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A05E7A1.C97B85D9@Rikers.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E13s11X-0004TQ-00@the-village.bc.nu> <3A05C888.7558E0F0@Rikers.org> <20001105160637.Z6207@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20001105234225.J443@cerebro.laendle>

Marc Lehmann wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 05, 2000 at 04:06:37PM -0500, Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com> wrote:
> > That's hard to do, because the whole gcc has copyright assigned to FSF,
> > which means that either gcc steering committee would have to make an
> > exception from this
> 
> Which can not and will not happen.

I understand "will not", but "can not"? There is nothing stopping
anyone, let's say SGI for example, from branching a separate gcc which
would include copyrights assigned to FSF and other parties. Let's say
this happens and a new sgigcc source base is created. Presumably then
any defense of gcc code could be met with the argument that the code
used came from sgigcc. This being the case what has the FSD gained by
the current policy?

I suppose that this is even the case today as one could argue that code
came from intel-gcc if they used the Intel patches for ia64 or any other
non-FSF copyrighted patches including patches made by the same company
that the FSD might be in legal action with.

In short, I do not see any enforceable advantages to the current FSF
policies.

> > for SGI, or SGI would have to be willing to assign some code to FSF.
> 
> Which is the standard procedure that the FSF requires for all it's
> programs to be able to defend them - incorporating non-assigned code into
> gcc creates some intractable problems (i.e.: make it impossible) when the
> FSD ever wanted to go to court to defend the freedom of gcc.

Statements above are my own, and I am not a lawyer.

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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-05 23:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-01 22:40 Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10 ? J . A . Magallon
2000-11-01 22:53 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02  1:12   ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-02  2:47     ` J . A . Magallon
2000-11-02  3:26       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-02 11:40         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01 22:57 ` Kurt Garloff
2000-11-01 22:47   ` David S. Miller
2000-11-01 22:45     ` Gérard Roudier
2000-11-01 23:07     ` Ben Pfaff
2000-11-01 23:12       ` David S. Miller
2000-11-01 23:11     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01 23:15       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-01 23:21     ` Tom Rini
2000-11-01 23:30       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01 23:36         ` Tom Rini
2000-11-02  0:22         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-02  4:50           ` Mike Galbraith
2000-11-02  4:59             ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-01 23:37     ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-11-01 23:29       ` David S. Miller
2000-11-01 23:54         ` Cort Dougan
2000-11-01 23:45           ` David S. Miller
2000-11-02  0:00             ` Cort Dougan
2000-11-02  0:54               ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02  0:21             ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-11-02  0:11               ` David S. Miller
2000-11-02  0:32                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-02  0:59                   ` Bill Nottingham
2000-11-02 18:55                   ` non-gcc linux? (was Re: Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10?) Tim Riker
2000-11-02 19:07                     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02 19:07                       ` Tim Riker
2000-11-02 19:24                         ` Ben Ford
2000-11-02 19:31                           ` Tim Riker
2000-11-02 20:37                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-11-02 20:53                               ` Tim Riker
2000-11-02 21:06                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2000-11-02 21:21                                   ` non-gcc linux? Tim Riker
2000-11-04 11:30                                   ` non-gcc linux? (was Re: Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10?) Kai Henningsen
2000-11-02 22:46                                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-11-02 23:16                                   ` Tim Riker
2000-11-03 12:02                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-02 20:53                         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02 21:04                           ` Tim Riker
2000-11-02 21:17                             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02 21:23                               ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-02 21:27                                 ` non-gcc linux? Tim Riker
2000-11-02 21:41                                   ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-02 21:43                                     ` Tim Riker
2000-11-03  7:21                                   ` Gábor Lénárt
2000-11-04 11:39                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-04 11:37                               ` non-gcc linux? (was Re: Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10?) Kai Henningsen
2000-11-07 16:33                         ` Jes Sorensen
2000-11-07 20:52                           ` Tim Riker
2000-11-07 21:06                             ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-07 22:08                               ` David Lang
2000-11-07 21:36                                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-08  0:04                             ` yodaiken
2000-11-02 19:18                       ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-02 19:17                         ` non-gcc linux? Tim Riker
2000-11-02 19:52                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-02 20:00                             ` Tim Riker
2000-11-02 20:29                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-02 22:23                               ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2000-11-02 22:31                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-03 22:02                                   ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2000-11-04  5:34                         ` non-gcc linux? (was Re: Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10?) Aaron Sethman
2000-11-04  9:18                           ` non-gcc linux? Tim Riker
2000-11-04 10:58                             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-05 20:52                               ` Tim Riker
2000-11-05 21:06                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2000-11-05 21:18                                   ` Tim Riker
2000-11-05 22:42                                   ` Marc Lehmann
2000-11-05 23:05                                     ` Tim Riker [this message]
2000-11-06  0:05                                       ` Marc Lehmann
2000-11-06  8:53                                       ` Thomas Pornin
2000-11-05 23:26                                     ` Ion Badulescu
2000-11-06  6:34                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2000-11-05 22:46                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-11-05 22:45                                 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-05 22:52                                   ` Tim Riker
2000-11-04 12:20                             ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-06 17:14                           ` non-gcc linux? (was Re: Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10?) Ralf Baechle
2000-11-02 20:21                     ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-02 20:27                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2000-11-04 12:24                       ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-05  3:28                         ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-05 13:03                           ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-03 11:33                     ` Thomas Pornin
2000-11-04 11:19                     ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-02  2:42             ` Where did kgcc go in 2.4.0-test10 ? Marc Lehmann
2000-11-02 21:24             ` Gérard Roudier
2000-11-02 22:37               ` David S. Miller
2000-11-02  6:28           ` Jakub Jelinek
2000-11-02  0:11         ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-11-02  0:06           ` David S. Miller
2000-11-02  0:22           ` Tom Rini
2000-11-02  0:26           ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-02  0:56           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-02  0:17     ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2000-11-02  0:30       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-02  1:01         ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2000-11-01 23:04   ` George
2000-11-02  1:08     ` Jan Dvorak
2000-11-01 23:12   ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-11-04  4:25 non-gcc linux? Bryan Sparks
     [not found] <fa.fvk85sv.1oigpiv@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.cq7bdsv.gggbio@ifi.uio.no>
2000-11-06  0:34   ` Russ Allbery
2000-11-06  1:01     ` Tim Riker
2000-11-06 23:14       ` Adam Sampson

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