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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
To: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>
Cc: Andrew Morton <andrewm@uow.edu.au>,
	Paul Gortmaker <p_gortmaker@yahoo.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	"'LKML'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'LNML'" <linux-net@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Locking Between User Context and Soft IRQs in 2.4.0
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 08:09:28 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A06AD88.15640B7D@mandrakesoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3472.973515485@ocs3.ocs-net>

Keith Owens wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 07:49:00 -0500,
> Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com> wrote:
> >Keith Owens wrote:
> >> I prefer a requirement that all net drivers upgrade to the new
> >> interface, otherwise we have odd drivers using the old interface
> >> forever and being at risk of module unload.  That is why I coded my
> >> patch as returning -ENODEV if there was no dev->open.  However I have
> >> to accept that just before a 2.4 release is not the best time to have a
> >> flag day.  Put it down for 2.5.
> >
> >What is "it" that gets put off until 2.5?  Breaking net drivers with an
> >interface upgrade, or eliminating this race?
> 
> Forcing all network drivers to define a dev->open routine.
> 
> >There is absolutely no need to break drivers for this.  Not only is it
> >needless pain, but doing so is inconsistent -- with struct
> >file_operations, I am free to have owner==NULL.
> 
> True, but if you set owner==NULL for something that is really in a
> module then you are lying to the module layer.  See foot, shoot foot.

You are missing the point here.  If a driver is "old style", where
owner==NULL and it manually calls MOD_{INC,DEC}_USE_COUNT, things are
pretty much ok.  There is a tiny race, but the system is mostly intact.

For never drivers "that matter," we update them to set
net_device::owner.  But to me breaking all the net drivers to force such
a change is silly.  For such a tiny race, there just isn't a pressing
need to update the stinkbomb crapola drivers...

	Jeff


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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-06 13:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-10-30 14:10 Locking Between User Context and Soft IRQs in 2.4.0 Hen, Shmulik
2000-11-04  9:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-04 10:19   ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-04 15:36     ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-04 16:56       ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-04 17:07         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-05  0:38           ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-05  1:28             ` Andrew Morton
2000-11-05  1:52               ` Andrew Morton
2000-11-05  2:32               ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-05  3:39               ` Keith Owens
2000-11-05  3:47                 ` Keith Owens
2000-11-05 11:45                   ` Andrew Morton
2000-11-06  2:20                     ` Paul Gortmaker
2000-11-06  9:55                       ` Andrew Morton
2000-11-06 10:05                         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 12:37                           ` Keith Owens
2000-11-06 12:49                             ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 12:58                               ` Keith Owens
2000-11-06 13:09                                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2000-11-06 13:18                                   ` Keith Owens
2000-11-07  2:23                         ` Rusty Russell

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