From: David Ford <david@linux.com>
To: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@vger.timpanogas.org>
Cc: sendmail-bugs@sendmail.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Wild thangs, was: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:41:49 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A0CB1ED.C38B7667@linux.com> (raw)
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> They're not modprobes, they're misnamed processes sleeping from NWFS.
If they're sleeping, why are they in D state? That ups the load average.
> I got the fix from someone so now they display their proper names.
> top displays the names correctly, ps does not. Several people have
> verified this problem, and all you are saying is that your servers
> are never heavily loaded for long periods of time, say 200 hours
> at a stretch of consatnt ftp traffic?
If I had a normally expected constant load average that came very close to the
sendmail configured limit, I would increase the limit. That's just common
sense for an admin. Sendmail in itself doesn't affect the load average any
more than any daemon does.
If your normal operating load is significant, and your configured limits are
close to that, you have to expect sendmail to throttle back. It doesn't pick
large emails as it's victims, everything gets throttled.
I would suspect that if you are near the limit then your disk is blocking
causing a load spike which is detected by sendmail so sendmail throttles back.
In my experience, Linux (and others) can be very sluggish at a load of 2 and at
another time be quite responsive w/ a load of 200. An admin should configure
limits based on that machine's load history, not any given default number.
I've run sendmail for a lot of years at a lot of places. I've never seen this
'large emails aren't sent' issue that people have verified. The only reason I
find valid is if the machine hovers near the limit and disk io causes the
spike. That isn't sendmail's fault, it's a configuration fault.
-d
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2000-11-10 21:52 ` sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:03 ` Neil W Rickert
2000-11-10 22:05 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:18 ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-10 22:22 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:32 ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 22:31 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:23 ` Richard A Nelson
2000-11-11 13:45 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-10 22:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-10 22:29 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 1:44 ` Ralf Baechle
2000-11-11 1:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11 3:16 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 11:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 18:03 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 1:35 ` Ralf Baechle
2000-11-11 1:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11 1:47 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2000-11-10 23:25 ` Davide Libenzi
2000-11-11 12:23 ` (non)importance of loadaverages bert hubert
2000-11-10 22:52 ` sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue David Lang
2000-11-10 22:07 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:25 ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 23:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11 7:57 ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-11 8:23 ` [OFF] Load avarage (Re: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue) Kari E. Hurtta
2000-11-11 0:28 ` Wild thangs, was: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue David Ford
2000-11-11 0:27 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 0:46 ` David Ford
2000-11-11 3:25 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 2:41 ` David Ford [this message]
2000-11-11 2:45 ` Andrew Morton
2000-11-11 3:09 ` Andrew Morton
2000-11-11 1:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-13 16:34 ` [OT] " Bruce Guenter
2000-11-11 13:40 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-11 18:11 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 19:12 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-11 19:38 ` J Sloan
2000-11-13 6:22 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-12 4:44 ` Jesse Pollard
2000-11-10 18:45 [Fwd: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue] Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 18:52 ` William F. Maton
2000-11-10 18:52 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:05 ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-10 19:04 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:30 ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-10 19:46 ` Tim Walberg
2000-11-11 11:33 ` Dominik Kubla
2000-11-11 13:35 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-10 23:41 ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-11-10 22:34 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 0:45 ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-11-10 23:40 ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-11-10 19:08 ` Richard A Nelson
2000-11-10 19:10 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:15 ` William F. Maton
2000-11-10 23:37 ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-11-10 19:34 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-10 19:33 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 13:24 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-11 18:05 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:02 ` Richard A Nelson
2000-11-10 19:00 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:11 ` Richard A Nelson
2000-11-10 19:13 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:25 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-10 19:34 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-10 20:07 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-10 20:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-10 20:27 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 20:36 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-10 21:09 ` William F. Maton
2000-11-10 21:10 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 20:42 ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-10 20:47 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 20:59 ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 22:28 ` Davide Libenzi
2000-11-10 21:16 ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 22:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11 0:14 ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-11-10 23:12 ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 23:13 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 1:15 ` Steve VanDevender
2000-11-11 2:02 ` David Ford
2000-11-11 3:20 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 3:14 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 13:29 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-10 20:31 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-12 1:39 ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-13 2:58 ` David Ford
2000-11-11 13:20 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
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