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From: ludovic fernandez <ludovic.fernandez@sun.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@innominate.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.4.0-prerelease: preemptive kernel.
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:43:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A5437A1.F540D794@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A53D863.53203DF4@sun.com> <3A5427A6.26F25A8A@innominate.de>

Daniel Phillips wrote:

>
> The key idea here is to disable preemption on spin lock and reenable on
> spin unlock.  That's a practical idea, highly compatible with the
> current way of doing things.  Its a fairly heavy hit on spinlock
> performance, but maybe the overall performance hit is small.  Benchmarks
> are needed.
>

I'm not sure the hit on spinlock is this heavy (one increment for lock
and one dec + test on unlock), but I completely agree (and volonteer)
for benchmarking. I'm not convinced a full preemptive kernel is something
interesting mainly due to the context switch cost (actually mmu contex switch).
Benchmarking is a good way to get a global overview on this.
What about only preemptable kernel threads ?

>
> A more ambitious way to proceed is to change spinlocks so they can sleep
> (not in interrupts of course).  There would not be any extra overhead
> for this on spin_lock (because the sleep test is handled off the fast
> path) but spin_unlock gets a little slower - it has to test and jump on
> a flag if there are sleepers.
>

I may be tired but I believe you're focusing on SMP architecture ?
This code simply defer the preemption at the end of the spinlock/lock
section. I don't see how you can easily mix sleeping lock and this
mechanism.

Ludo.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-04  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-04  1:56 [PATCH] 2.4.0-prerelease: preemptive kernel ludovic fernandez
2001-01-04  7:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-04  8:11   ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-04 12:32     ` Anton Blanchard
2001-01-04 12:44       ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-04 21:54         ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-04 21:39     ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-04 22:09       ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-04 22:28         ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-04  8:43   ` ludovic fernandez [this message]
2001-01-04 22:10     ` Roger Larsson
2001-01-04 23:16       ` ludovic fernandez
2001-01-05  0:10         ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-05  0:36           ` ludovic fernandez
2001-01-05  0:45             ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-05  1:13               ` Alan Olsen
2001-01-05  5:29       ` george anzinger
2001-01-05  6:45         ` ludovic fernandez
2001-01-05  8:10           ` george anzinger
2001-01-04 21:28   ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-04  9:00 ` David Woodhouse
2001-01-04 16:17 ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-04 20:06 ` Nigel Gamble
2001-01-04 20:36   ` ludovic fernandez
2001-01-05  0:56     ` Daniel Phillips

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