Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Keith Owens]

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ftp://ftp.<country>.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4

modutils-2.4.0.tar.gz           Source tarball, includes RPM spec file
modutils-2.4.0-1.src.rpm        As above, in SRPM format
modutils-2.4.0-1.i386.rpm       Compiled with egcs-2.91.66, glibc 2.1.2
modutils-2.4.0-1.sparc.rpm      Compiled for combined sparc 32/64
patch-2.4.0-persistent.gz	Adds persistent data and generic string
				support to kernel 2.4.0.

Changelog extract

	* Clone from modutils 2.3.24.

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Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Keith Owens]

On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:59:12 +1100, 
Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au> wrote:
>modutils-2.4.0.tar.gz           Source tarball, includes RPM spec file

I have just found out that there was an incompatible change to struct
usb_device_id during 2.4.0-prerelease :(((.  That means that all
versions of depmod will break on kernel 2.4.0 if you have any modules
that use MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE(usb).  Incompatible changes to an ABI
structure without notification immediately prior to a major kernel
release, yech!

If you have usb modules then stay on kernel 2.4.0-prerelease or compile
usb without modules or wait until I can test and release modutils
2.4.1.  The usb hotplug utilities will also have to change to handle
the new table layout.

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Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Matthew Dharm]

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Well, I'll be the one to fall on my sword...

This is probably my fault.  The matching code was pretty much broken for a
non-trivial subset of usb devices.  I'd submitted the patch to Linus before
the holdiays, but it was rejected for various reasons.  After some back and
forth, Linus finally accepted it on about the 2st of the year.

It's pretty much the same patch (functionally) as I posted to the
linux-usb-devel mailing list, which I presumed would inform the hotplugging
people.  Mea culpa, I seem to have been in error there.  Tho, that was
several weeks ago, so it may have just fallen out of people's heads in the
interim time.

Keith, if you need any info on what the new structure means, please let me
know and I can fill you in on all the details.

Matt

On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 02:56:29PM +1100, Keith Owens wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:59:12 +1100, 
> Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au> wrote:
> >modutils-2.4.0.tar.gz           Source tarball, includes RPM spec file
> 
> I have just found out that there was an incompatible change to struct
> usb_device_id during 2.4.0-prerelease :(((.  That means that all
> versions of depmod will break on kernel 2.4.0 if you have any modules
> that use MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE(usb).  Incompatible changes to an ABI
> structure without notification immediately prior to a major kernel
> release, yech!
> 
> If you have usb modules then stay on kernel 2.4.0-prerelease or compile
> usb without modules or wait until I can test and release modutils
> 2.4.1.  The usb hotplug utilities will also have to change to handle
> the new table layout.
> 
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Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[David Brownell]

Matt --

> It's pretty much the same patch (functionally) as I posted to the
> linux-usb-devel mailing list, which I presumed would inform the hotplugging
> people.  Mea culpa, I seem to have been in error there.

Miles had a suggestion for a "linux-hotplug" mailing list; this
could have been a good issue to coordinate on such a smaller
(lower traffic?) list.

In this case, the ball just got dropped when it looked like this
patch wasn't even going to Linus.  After the Linux 2.4.0 change
notes, that ball just got picked up again!

- Dave


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Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Matthew Dharm]

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On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 08:54:33PM -0800, David Brownell wrote:
> Miles had a suggestion for a "linux-hotplug" mailing list; this
> could have been a good issue to coordinate on such a smaller
> (lower traffic?) list.

Given that I (and many people on linux-scsi, it seems) are looking to
"hotplugging" as one of the major enhancements for 2.5.x development, this
is probably a good idea.  Can vger.kernel.org host this list?  Who do we
conatct about this?

Matt

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Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Anuradha Ratnaweera]

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Keith Owens wrote:

> modutils-2.4.0.tar.gz           Source tarball, includes RPM spec file
> modutils-2.4.0-1.src.rpm        As above, in SRPM format
> modutils-2.4.0-1.i386.rpm       Compiled with egcs-2.91.66, glibc 2.1.2
> modutils-2.4.0-1.sparc.rpm      Compiled for combined sparc 32/64
> patch-2.4.0-persistent.gz	Adds persistent data and generic string
>				support to kernel 2.4.0.

Why not DEB?

Anuradha

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Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Miles Lane]

Matthew Dharm wrote:

> Well, I'll be the one to fall on my sword...
> 
> This is probably my fault.  The matching code was pretty much broken for a
> non-trivial subset of usb devices.  I'd submitted the patch to Linus before
> the holdiays, but it was rejected for various reasons.  After some back and
> forth, Linus finally accepted it on about the 2st of the year.
> 
> It's pretty much the same patch (functionally) as I posted to the
> linux-usb-devel mailing list, which I presumed would inform the hotplugging
> people.

<snip>

We really do need a linux-hotplug mailing list.  Who would be able to
set up such a list on vger.kernel.org (or anywhere else that supports
maillist archives and has decent server loads)?  I've already floated
this idea once, but noone who can make this happen has volunteered.

Why we need this:

There are too many people working on hotplug issues in disjoint corners
of the kernel and utility community.  This work requires coordination
from the various bus developers (USB, SCSI, PCI, IrDA, Firewire,
Wireless, etc.) as well as folks working on the usermode scripts,
utilities and so forth.  There is also the need to sort out all the
PCMCIA/Cardbus issues having to do with migrating the installed base
over time to the new kernel drivers (yenta and friends).

	Miles

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Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Greg KH]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 08:54:33PM -0800, David Brownell wrote:
> Matt --
> 
> > It's pretty much the same patch (functionally) as I posted to the
> > linux-usb-devel mailing list, which I presumed would inform the hotplugging
> > people.  Mea culpa, I seem to have been in error there.
> 
> Miles had a suggestion for a "linux-hotplug" mailing list; this
> could have been a good issue to coordinate on such a smaller
> (lower traffic?) list.

I agree.  I can set up a "linux-hotplug" group using SourceForge if
others also think that this is a needed thing.  I don't want to see
things like this happen again.

Actually almost anyone can, but at least I'm volunteering :)

greg k-h

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Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Greg KH]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:17:49PM -0800, Miles Lane wrote:
> Greg KH wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > I agree.  I can set up a "linux-hotplug" group using SourceForge if
> > others also think that this is a needed thing.  I don't want to see
> > things like this happen again.
> > 
> > Actually almost anyone can, but at least I'm volunteering :)
> > 
> > greg k-h
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> David Brownell had mentioned previously that he thought the
> throughput on vger.kernel.org might be better than
> lists.sourceforge.net because vger is better matched to
> its server load.  Do you know whether this is true?
> My preference would be to see this list be hosted by a
> relatively quick mailserver.
> 
> If the concensus is that sourceforge is good enough,
> than you have my gratitude for getting this set up.

Throughput on vger.kernel.org does seem incredible.  But lately
SourceForge doesn't seem very bad at all, as it seems they have beefed
up their servers.

I'm only proposing SourceForge as I can set up a list easily there
easily, and I don't know the right people to ask to get it done on
vger.kernel.org :)

Unless anyone objects in the next 10 hours, I'll try to create it, and
let everyone know about it.

thanks,

greg k-h

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Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Matti Aarnio]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:30:57PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> > Greg KH wrote:
> > <snip>
> > 
> > > I agree.  I can set up a "linux-hotplug" group using SourceForge if
...
> I'm only proposing SourceForge as I can set up a list easily there
> easily, and I don't know the right people to ask to get it done on
> vger.kernel.org :)

	The right one to ask is  <postmaster@vger.kernel.org>,  and
	somebody has already made that question there.

	Powers that be (DaveM) need to decide on it.

	I am also one of those postmaster persons, but DaveM decides
	things at the Majordomo subsystem.  (And thus lists.)

> Unless anyone objects in the next 10 hours, I'll try to create it, and
> let everyone know about it.

	As you wish, I don't have ambitions either way.

	One thing though, NEVER configure list to modify through
	going message subjects any way what so ever.  Doing that
	is just a sign of giving up on people who don't know how
	else they can recognize traffic thru given lists.
	(I leave it as an excercise to the reader to review full
	 headers of this message in their mailbox, and see which
	 RFC 822 defined headers they could use to recognize which
	 list this message has gone thru.  Some of you will receive
	 this in several copies via different paths!)

	Such subject modifications lead to abominations like:

		[linux-usb-devel] Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [linux-usb-devel] ...

	People don't clean their outgoing Subject: headers anyway.

> thanks,
> greg k-h
> -- 
> greg@(kroah|wirex).com

/Matti Aarnio
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Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Erik Mouw]

On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 12:48:04PM +0600, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> Why not DEB?

Because Keith doesn't have a Debian system? He just provides the rpms
as a service, he doesn't have to do that.

Install the "alien" package on your machine and you will be able to
convert between rpm and deb.


Erik

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Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Wichert Akkerman]

In article <20010105113104.L888@arthur.ubicom.tudelft.nl>,
Erik Mouw  <J.A.K.Mouw@ITS.TUDelft.NL> wrote:
>Install the "alien" package on your machine and you will be able to
>convert between rpm and deb.

Bad plan, considering packages rely on some infrastructure that
is not in the rpm (update-modules). I tend to be pretty quick
with making and uploading the deb anyway.

Having said that, I won't package 2.4.0 and will wait for 2.4.1
instead.

Wichert.

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Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Anuradha Ratnaweera]

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Erik Mouw wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 12:48:04PM +0600, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote:
> > Why not DEB?
> 
> Because Keith doesn't have a Debian system? He just provides the rpms
> as a service, he doesn't have to do that.

Of cource he doesn't have to do that. It is just nice to have all of them.

> Install the "alien" package on your machine and you will be able to
> convert between rpm and deb.

Alien does an excellent job in converting some packages, but for others
including pre/post installation scripts (with -c) conversion is not
perfect. The reason is not a problem with alien, but most RPMs assumes
(correcly) that the target system is `RedHat like'.

The reason I was looking for the debian package was to test 2.4 on a
"stable" debian system. If I install modutils from source, package
management system (dpkg/apt) will not know its existence.


Anuradha

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Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Russell King]

Anuradha Ratnaweera writes:
> The reason I was looking for the debian package was to test 2.4 on a
> "stable" debian system. If I install modutils from source, package
> management system (dpkg/apt) will not know its existence.

Can't you get the source, and whatever relevent files you need to build
a dpkg and build the source + binary packages yourself (with maybe a few
minor changes to the dpkg build information)?
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Re: Announce: modutils 2.4.0 is available

[Peter Samuelson]

[Russell King]
> Can't you get the source, and whatever relevent files you need to
> build a dpkg and build the source + binary packages yourself (with
> maybe a few minor changes to the dpkg build information)?

Right.  No changes at all.  modutils_2.3.23-2.diff.gz applies fine,
except for one bit that already made it upstream -- ignore the .rej .

Peter

(woody build, if anyone cares...
  http://wire.cadcamlab.org/misc/modutils_2.4.0-0woody0.1_i386.deb
)
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