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From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
To: "Christopher E. Brown" <cbrown@denalics.net>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumission
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:47:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A5BCD51.E5888A2C@candelatech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101091114590.15451-100000@borg.denalics.net>

"Christopher E. Brown" wrote:
> 

>         Think VLANing switch clusters.  Say 4 switches connected by
> GigE on 4 floors or in 4 separate building.  Now, across these
> switches 20 VLANS are running, with the switches enforcing VLAN
> partitioning.  The client PCs know nothing about it, as each one
> resides within a single VLAN.

That would seem to cut down broadcast packets, and generally be a good
thing!

> 
>         Now we have our Linux box with 2 x 100Mbit FD links to the
> switch cluster running 10 VLANS per interface, and an external
> DS1/SDSL/whatever connection.  We now have 20 separate zones with
> different security controls per zone, with per switchport control over
> who resided in what group.  Or even forget the routing and just
> plugging a Linux box to a companies 200VLAN setup to provide
> DHCP/whatever.
> 
>         I must say, I *hate* VLANs for this use, it is a horrible
> thing to do that wastes massive amounts of bandwidth on simulating a
> local broadcast domain across a much larger area, but oh well.  As
> long as we have stupid managers and brain dead sales persons not much
> will change.  Are there better things to do than VLAN?  YES!  Will we
> get stuck with needing VLANs in the real world?  YES!

Umm, how does using VLANs lead to wasting massive amount of bandwidth?
(You seem to be saying that by partitioning the network we make each
partition bigger??)

What are the better solutions?

And what does your dislike for sales and management have to do with
the topic at hand?



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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-10  1:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-06 21:33 [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumission policy!) Ben Greear
2001-01-06 23:17 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-07  4:06   ` Ben Greear
2001-01-07  5:36     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-07 13:42     ` [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumission Alan Cox
2001-01-07 15:33       ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-07 16:46         ` Alan Cox
2001-01-07 17:32           ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-07 19:02       ` Ben Greear
2001-01-07 18:06         ` Alan Cox
2001-01-07 18:53           ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-07 19:30           ` Ben Greear
2001-01-07 18:30             ` Alan Cox
2001-01-07 22:40           ` 5116
2001-01-08  2:19           ` David Ford
2001-01-09 20:25           ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-01-10  2:47             ` Ben Greear [this message]
2001-01-07 18:21         ` jamal
2001-01-07 19:00           ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-07 19:10             ` jamal
2001-01-07 19:24               ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-08  0:21                 ` jamal
2001-01-07 19:37           ` Ben Greear
2001-01-07 18:53             ` jamal
2001-01-07  3:29 ` [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumission policy!) Chris Wedgwood
2001-01-07  5:40   ` David S. Miller
2001-01-07  6:15   ` Ben Greear
2001-01-07 10:22   ` David Ford
2001-01-07 12:13     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-01-07 12:01       ` David S. Miller
2001-01-08  5:32         ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-08  6:12           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-01-08  6:26             ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-08  6:57               ` David Ford
2001-01-08 13:08                 ` jamal
2001-01-09 13:28                   ` Blu3Viper
2001-01-08  6:13           ` Blu3Viper
2001-01-07 12:19       ` David Ford
2001-01-07 16:56   ` jamal
2001-01-07 17:37     ` Gleb Natapov
2001-01-07 18:02       ` routable interfaces WAS( " jamal
2001-01-07 19:21         ` routable interfaces WAS( Re: [PATCH] hashed device lookup (DoesNOT " Ben Greear
2001-01-07 18:29           ` jamal
2001-01-07 18:51             ` Gleb Natapov
2001-01-07 19:05               ` jamal
2001-01-07 19:19             ` routable interfaces WAS( Re: [PATCH] hashed device lookup(DoesNOT " Sandy Harris
2001-01-07 20:42               ` Ben Greear
2001-01-08  0:37                 ` jamal
2001-01-08  5:25                   ` routable interfaces WAS( Re: [PATCH] hashed device lookup(DoesNOTmeet " Ben Greear
2001-01-08 13:05                     ` jamal
2001-01-07  3:29 ` [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet " Andi Kleen
2001-01-07  4:00   ` jamal
2001-01-07  4:06     ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-07  5:43     ` David S. Miller
2001-01-07 11:40       ` [little bit OT] ip _IS_ _NOT_ ifconfig and route ! (was Re: [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumission policy!)) Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-07 11:50         ` David S. Miller
2001-01-07 13:47       ` [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumission Alan Cox
2001-01-07 16:12         ` jamal
2001-01-07 16:51           ` Alan Cox
2001-01-07 15:56       ` [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumission policy!) jamal
2001-01-07 16:30         ` Gleb Natapov
2001-01-07 16:36           ` jamal
2001-01-07 19:54         ` [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumissionpolicy!) Ben Greear
2001-01-07  6:24     ` Ben Greear
2001-01-07  5:29       ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-07  6:22   ` [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumission policy!) Ben Greear
2001-01-07  5:27     ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-07  8:11       ` [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumission policy!) (Benchmarks) Ben Greear
2001-01-07  7:15         ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-08  8:12         ` [PATCH] hashed device lookup (New Benchmarks) Ben Greear
2001-01-08  7:00           ` David S. Miller
2001-01-08 16:26             ` Ben Greear
2001-01-08 16:50               ` Andi Kleen
2001-01-09 16:27                 ` Ben Greear
2001-01-07 13:50     ` [PATCH] hashed device lookup (Does NOT meet Linus' sumission Alan Cox
2001-01-07 16:44       ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-01-07 19:09       ` Ben Greear

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