From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:47:25 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:47:16 -0500 Received: from gear.torque.net ([204.138.244.1]:49156 "EHLO gear.torque.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3A65E74E.DE10848E@torque.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:41:18 -0500 From: Douglas Gilbert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Meissner CC: "J . A . Magallon" , "'linux-scsi @ vger . kernel . org'" , "'linux-kernel @ vger . kernel . org'" Subject: Re: Linux not adhering to BIOS Drive boot order? In-Reply-To: <1355693A51C0D211B55A00105ACCFE64E95191@ATL_MS1> <20010116153757.A1609@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> <20010117003205.A711@werewolf.able.es> <20010116194210.C1609@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Michael Meissner wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 12:32:05AM +0100, J . A . Magallon wrote: > > If that is your idea of the average user... You're a system administrator, > > you can have tons of scsi cards in your system if you want. > > > > You want to make things SOOO easy for a 'dummy' user, and that user will never > > use them. The average user you are targetting says: 'daddy, buy me a PC to > > run Quake and do my school jobs' or 'please, dear vendor, I want a PC to > > do my housekeeping'. I have seen so many cases (A buys PC, A tries to run > > brand new racing game that does not work, A goes shop and says: don't know > > what's wrong with this PC, look at it and call me when MyCarRacingGame > > works...). > > I also don't want things so complex for the people who need to do complex > things, that they give up in frustration with Linux and use something else like > *BSD, particularly when things are changed from the previous way they were done > in Linux. I agree things should be simple for simple configurations, but that > does not mean we should be throwing boat anchors and couches in the paths of > people who have more complex hardware. > > > Average users you are targetting with that automagical > > card detection even do not know there are SCSI and IDE disks. They just > > want a 30Gb ide disk to install linux and play. If they involve with SCSI > > and ID numbers and multiple cards and so on they can read some docs and > > rebuild a kernel. > > Ummm, I just reread the 2.4 Changes file once again just to be sure, and it did > not cover this issue. So how the *$@% are people supposed to "read some docs" > to know about this, if the docs don't mention the information. I know people > have been complaining about this change since at least the fall time frame. There has been some movement on the SCSI subsystem documentation front: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/ Doug Gilbert - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/