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From: Steve Underwood <steveu@coppice.org>
To: Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [OT?] Coding Style
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:28:26 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A6D78EA.5B09C379@coppice.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28560036253BD41191A10000F8BCBD116BDCC5@zcard00g.ca.nortel.com> <20010122082254.D9530@work.bitmover.com>

Larry McVoy wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 11:04:50AM -0500, Jonathan Earle wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: profmakx.fmp [mailto:profmakx.fmp@gmx.de]
> > >
> > > So, every good programmer
> > > should know where to put comments. And it is unnecessary to
> > > put comments to
> > > explain what code does. One should see this as stated in the
> > > CodingStyle doc.
> > > Ok, there are points where a comment is good, but for example
> > > at university
> > > we are to comment on every single line of code ...
> >
> > WRONG!!!
> >
> > Not documenting your code is not a sign of good coding, but rather shows
> > arrogance, laziness and contempt for "those who would dare tamper with your
> > code after you've written it".  Document and comment your code thoroughly.
> > Do it as you go along.  I was also taught to comment nearly every line - as
> > part of the coding style used by a large, international company I worked for
> > several years ago.  It brings the logic of the programmer into focus and
> > makes code maintenance a whole lot easier.  It also helps one to remember
> > the logic of your own code when you revisit it a year or more hence.
> 
> Please don't listen to this.  The only place you really want comments is
> 
>     a) at the top of files, describing the point of the file;
>     b) at the top of functions, if the purpose of the function is not obvious;
>     c) in line, when the code is not obvious.
> 
> If you are writing code that requires a comment for every line, you are
> writing bad, obscure, unobvious code and no amount of commenting will fix
> it.
> 
> The real reason to sparing in your comments is that code and comments are
> not semantically bound to each other: the program doesn't stop working when
> the comment becomes incorrect.  It's incredibly frustrating to read a comment,
> believe you understand what is going on, only to find out that the comment
> and the code no longer match.
> --
> ---
> Larry McVoy              lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm

It seems the great majority of heavily commented programs I have seen
never commented anything useful. The ooooh so useful the little
snippets, like:

    /* Beware: The next two lines might seem weird, but they work around 
       a bug in some revisions of XYZZY. */

were seldom there, but:

    a = b + c; /* add a to b, and store it as c */

were there in bundles. During a period of making a liveing out of
sorting out severly screwed up projects I made a little comment
stripper. I found comments so unreliable, and so seldom useful, I was
better off reading the code without the confusion they might cause. I
do, however, try to document the non-obvious through comments in what I
write.

Some people still seem to be living in the age of K&R C, with 6 or 7
character variable names that demand some explanation. Maybe some day
they will awake to the expressive power of long (and well chosen) names.

Regards,
Steve
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-23 12:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-22 16:04 [OT?] Coding Style Jonathan Earle
2001-01-22 16:19 ` Mike Harrold
2001-01-22 16:22 ` Larry McVoy
2001-01-22 18:29   ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-01-22 23:20   ` Admin Mailing Lists
2001-01-23  0:54     ` Werner Almesberger
2001-01-23 12:28   ` Steve Underwood [this message]
2001-01-23 16:17     ` Nicolas Noble
2001-01-23 21:16       ` David Benfell
2001-01-23 12:52   ` Andrew Morton
2001-01-23 18:10   ` Stephen Satchell
2001-01-22 17:43 ` Gregory Maxwell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-23 22:22 Jonathan Earle
2001-01-23 16:47 Jesse Pollard
2001-01-24  0:07 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-01-23 15:41 Jonathan Earle
2001-01-23 15:58 ` Larry McVoy
2001-01-23 16:00 ` Mike Harrold
2001-01-23 16:14   ` Georg Nikodym
2001-01-23 18:05     ` Christopher Friesen
2001-01-23 18:41       ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2001-01-23 18:44       ` Georg Nikodym
2001-01-23 18:53     ` James Kelly
2001-01-23 16:32   ` Joe deBlaquiere
2001-01-24  1:14     ` Steve Underwood
2001-01-25 13:33       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-01-24  5:42     ` Brent Rowland
2001-01-24  5:50       ` Andre Hedrick
2001-01-25 13:25   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-01-25 19:30     ` Harald Arnesen
2001-01-26  0:20     ` James Stevenson
2001-01-23 17:42 ` John Kodis
2001-01-25 13:38   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-01-22 21:09 Stephen Satchell
2001-01-22 16:42 ` Mark I Manning IV
2001-01-22 23:56 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-01-23  0:01   ` Larry McVoy
2001-01-23  6:37 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-01-23  8:37 ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-23 18:58   ` Alan Olsen
2001-01-22 17:53 Jonathan Earle
2001-01-20 15:32 Anton Altaparmakov
2001-01-20 16:19 ` [OT?] " profmakx.fmp
2001-01-21  5:10   ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-01-21  5:50     ` Admin Mailing Lists
2001-01-21  5:58       ` Mike A. Harris
2001-01-21  7:07         ` Josh Myer
2001-01-21  7:20       ` Alan Olsen
2001-01-21 22:40       ` Mo McKinlay
2001-01-22  0:23         ` Admin Mailing Lists

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