From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:39:33 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:39:23 -0500 Received: from neon-gw.transmeta.com ([209.10.217.66]:50694 "EHLO neon-gw.transmeta.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3A70D524.11362EFB@transmeta.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:38:44 -0800 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Organization: Transmeta Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, sv, no, da, es, fr, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David S. Miller" CC: "H. Peter Anvin" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: hotmail not dealing with ECN In-Reply-To: <94qcvm$9qp$1@cesium.transmeta.com> <14960.54069.369317.517425@pizda.ninka.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org "David S. Miller" wrote: > > Secondly, the RFCs are pretty clear that the bits in question used for > ECN are _reserved_ and to be ignored by implementations. That means > to not be interpreted, and more importantly not used to discard > packets. > Last I communicated with them, I looked for a reference like that in the standards RFCs so I could quote chapter and verse at the Hotmail people, but I couldn't find it. If there is such a reference, someone should point it out to them, as well as the Cisco patch you point out. As I said before, I have had good experience with getting them to fix things if someone actually points the exact violation they're committing. > > In this case, though, they feel that they don't want to potentially > > destabilize their network over something that is labelled an > > experimental standard. I can certainly understand their point. > > That's respectible. > > However, to my knowledge the fix in question is available from Cisco > as a fully supported "safe" patch, rather than some haphazard beta > patch. Right, but there is a whole mythos around which version of IOS does what without breaking something. I can certainly understand that people are reluctant to upgrade if they don't have to. -hpa -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/