From: Tony Hoyle <tmh@magenta-netlogic.com>
To: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
Cc: "Randal, Phil" <prandal@herefordshire.gov.uk>,
"Linux-Kernel (E-mail)" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: hotmail not dealing with ECN
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:18:05 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A71B14D.267771A@magenta-netlogic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AFE36742FF57D411862500508BDE8DD055F6@mail.herefordshire.gov.uk> <20010126173744.A5164@marowsky-bree.de>
Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
>
> So you also turn of PMTU and just set the MTU to 200 bytes because broken
> firewalls may drop ICMP ?
That doesn't affect huge numbers of websites.
In the UK two of the largest ISPs - BT Internet and Freeserve - have
ECN-blocking
firewalls. So does theregister.co.uk for that matter. If I enable ECN
I lose
the ability to send emails to a huge percentage of the people on the
mailing lists
that run on my machine.
These ISPs will *not* change simply because 1% of Linux users complain
at them. They
have been contacted about this and they know of the problem. I doubt
they care.
Firewalls dropping ICMP does not make my internet connection practically
unusable. Firewalls
dropping ECN does.
Tony
--
The only secure computer is one that's unplugged, locked in a safe,
and buried 20 feet under the ground in a secret location... and i'm
not even too sure about that one"--Dennis Huges, FBI.
tmh@magenta-netlogic.com
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Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-01-26 16:04 hotmail not dealing with ECN Randal, Phil
2001-01-26 16:37 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 17:14 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 23:25 ` Daniel Chemko
2001-01-26 19:43 ` Chris Meadors
2001-01-29 14:57 ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-26 17:18 ` Tony Hoyle [this message]
2001-01-26 18:42 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-31 16:45 ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26 22:37 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-01-26 17:28 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-01-26 21:21 ` David Ford
2001-01-29 9:42 ` Helge Hafting
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-27 18:55 Bernd Eckenfels
[not found] <980523239.30846@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-01-26 21:52 ` Stuart Lynne
2001-01-26 21:59 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-01-27 9:48 ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 17:53 Adam J. Richter
2001-01-26 17:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 18:15 ` Alan Shutko
2001-01-26 18:32 ` Graham Murray
2001-01-26 7:53 Bernd Eckenfels
2001-01-25 17:26 Bernd Eckenfels
2001-01-25 5:43 Jeremy Hansen
2001-01-25 7:37 ` Juri Haberland
2001-01-25 9:06 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 1:12 ` Lincoln Dale
2001-01-25 23:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 1:30 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 1:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 1:43 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 1:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 2:10 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 2:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 8:54 ` Helge Hafting
2001-01-26 18:04 ` Rick Jones
2001-01-27 7:11 ` Rusty Russell
2001-01-31 10:56 ` Alan Cox
2001-01-27 4:10 ` David Wagner
2001-01-27 4:59 ` Brian May
2001-01-27 18:18 ` Frank v Waveren
2001-01-27 19:20 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-27 19:22 ` Frank v Waveren
2001-01-27 19:58 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27 20:14 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-27 22:18 ` David Schwartz
2001-01-27 23:09 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28 0:11 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 1:10 ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-28 8:48 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-28 0:06 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-01-28 3:27 ` David Schwartz
2001-01-28 0:58 ` David Lang
2001-01-26 2:24 ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-01-26 3:03 ` Brian May
2001-01-26 5:06 ` Jeremy M. Dolan
2001-01-26 14:04 ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-27 10:00 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-31 10:46 ` Alan Cox
2001-01-26 10:37 ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 11:32 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 11:40 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 11:44 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 13:44 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 14:44 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 15:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:14 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 15:24 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:16 ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-26 15:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 22:26 ` Dominik Kubla
2001-01-26 22:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 15:35 ` Marian Jancar
2001-01-26 16:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-28 1:59 ` Dax Kelson
2001-01-28 16:51 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 11:50 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 13:52 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 13:54 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:12 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:08 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 15:13 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 15:29 ` James Sutherland
2001-01-26 15:55 ` Chris Ricker
2001-01-26 18:37 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-01-26 19:17 ` Matti Aarnio
2001-01-26 19:55 ` Jeremy M. Dolan
2001-01-26 15:34 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 17:37 ` Drago Goricanec
2001-01-26 14:11 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 18:19 ` Olaf Titz
2001-01-26 14:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 14:39 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:46 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-01-26 14:50 ` David S. Miller
2001-01-26 14:57 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-27 0:18 ` Thunder from the hill
2001-01-27 0:15 ` Thunder from the hill
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