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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@transmeta.com>
To: Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux Post codes during runtime, possibly OT
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:24:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A733CA0.C05D8BBC@transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200101272101.WAA27234@cave.bitwizard.nl>

Rogier Wolff wrote:
> 
> You seem to state that if you want POST codes, you should find a
> different port, modify the code, test the hell out of it, and then
> submit the patch.
> 
> That is NOT the right way to go about this: Port 0x80 is RESERVED for
> POST usage, that's why it's always free. If people want to use it for
> the original purpose then that is a pretty damn good reason to bump
> the non-intended users of that port somewhere else.
> 

Again, such bumping entails:

	- Modify the code
	- Test the hell out of it
	- Submit the patch

> Now, we've found that small delays are reasonably well generated with
> an "outb" to 0x80. So, indeed changing that to something else is going
> to be tricky.
> 
> All that I can think of right now is:
>  - Find a register that can be written without side effects in
>   "standard" hardware like a keyboard controller, or interrupt
>    controller. Especially good are ones that already require us to keep
>    a shadow value. Write the shadow variable to the register.
>   (Tricky: not interrupt safe!)
>  - Find a scratch register (like the one in the 16450).
> 
>  - Is port 0x81 possibly "quite often" free?
> 

Who knows?  That's the thing you're going to have to find out if you want
to push this.  Again, the only way anyone is ever going to find out is by
doing *lots* of research (look at things like Ralf Brown's Interrupt
List), *then* followed by lots and lots of testing to smoke out boxes
that don't work for this.

For what it's worth, I'm talking from experience -- I tried to switch it
to port 0xED which I was told was used for this purpose by BIOS
manufacturers.  It didn't work.

	-hpa

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-27 21:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-25 21:46 Linux Post codes during runtime, possibly OT Ian S. Nelson
2001-01-25 22:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-25 22:31   ` Matthew Dharm
2001-01-25 22:32     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-25 22:41       ` Matthew Dharm
2001-01-25 22:45         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-25 23:08       ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-01-25 23:10         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 13:58           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-01-26 16:19             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-26 17:54               ` David Welch
2001-01-29  2:35               ` Paul Gortmaker
2001-01-27 10:20   ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-27 20:47     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-27 21:01       ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-27 21:24         ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2001-01-28 10:12           ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-28 10:18             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-28 11:03               ` Rogier Wolff
2001-01-28 17:22               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-28 22:34               ` Pavel Machek
2001-01-29 15:09                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-01-29 19:21                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-01-28 22:29         ` Pavel Machek
2001-01-30 17:44         ` Mark H. Wood
2001-01-30 18:10           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-01-30 18:16           ` mirabilos
2001-01-30 18:36             ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-01-30 18:41               ` mirabilos
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-01-26 15:41 Petr Vandrovec
2001-01-26 15:07 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-01-26 15:15   ` Mark Hahn
2001-01-26 15:31     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 16:03       ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-01-26 16:22         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-01-26 15:42 Manfred Spraul
2001-01-26 16:07 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-01-26 16:33   ` Brian Gerst
2001-01-27 12:28     ` Pavel Machek

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