From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@idb.hist.no>
To: hps@tanstaafl.de
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [LONG RANT] Re: Linux stifles innovation...
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:24:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A90E65E.50179C65@idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010216170349.01efc030@mail.etinc.com>, <E14TtEx-0004Lr-00@the-village.bc.nu> <96lrau$dcd$1@forge.intermeta.de>
"Henning P. Schmiedehausen" wrote:
>
> _BUT_ all these people that want to use Linux ask sometimes for help
> outside their vendor contracts, they get told exactly this: "Go away
> where. You're not using the "one true source from kernel.org". They're
> more locked it with their "open software" than people that use
> windows. Because if they ask for help in a M$ support forum, they get
> help. Sometimes (most of the times) they have to pay for it but
> they're willing to pay. That's the point. They're willing to pay for
> help and they don't want to hear "fuck off and get xxx Linux instead
> of yyy Linux". Or "fuck off and use zmailer, only idiots still use
> sendmail".
Microsoft is no better. MS don't provide all the software that
runs on windows. Get some product (say, a word processor) that
competes with with MS office. Then go try getting help when
that word processor have trouble with your new printer.
MS: "Get word instead, only idiots use that word processor. Or
try a different printer. Maybe the vendor has a newer driver."
Printer vendor: "must be a sw problem, it works fine with office"
Word processor vendor: "It works fine with hundreds of printers,
use something other than that screwball printer of yours."
Been there, done that.
> Or "Recompile your kernel. Check out kernel v2.3.99pre7-ac8 with the
> latest patch from Andrea Arcangeli" (And most of the times they as
> themselves, who is this Andrea-gal anyway? ;-) (SCNR))"
Nothing wrong with this advice. Of course the company that prefer
paying for support will simply not see it, the guy they pay for
support will be the one who collect such advice and implement it.
> Look at the ECN discussion. Look at the NFS discussion. Look at the IP
> fragmentation discussion. Most non-technical people don't want to hear
> "you can't connect from your company proxy to hotmail because they're
> braindead with their firewalls and don't wanna listen". They hear this
But you can connect. Your support guy simply have to turn off ECN.
Distributors don't ship ECN kernels anyway, they aren't stupid. It is
a default only for those who compile their own kernel.
> The state of driver for printing or font rendering on the desktop is
> terrible. You may rant about M$ all the time, but if I buy a new
> printer, I get a driver which produces printouts like on my screen and
> like my last printer. I get all the nifty features supported that this
> printer has.
Linux surely don't support all the printers out there.
This fact is no more problem than the fact that "windows don't
run on ARM, 68040, S/390, and a lot of other platforms linux runs on"
A company buy intel compatible machines for running windows. And they
buy one of the well-supported printers if they want a linux
print server. Go for a postscript printer, or one of those with
good ghostscript support. Not a problem at all.
Helge Hafting
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-02-19 9:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-02-15 17:49 Linux stifles innovation fsnchzjr
2001-02-15 17:55 ` Stephen Frost
2001-02-15 18:04 ` Mark Haney
2001-02-15 19:49 ` David D.W. Downey
2001-02-15 20:20 ` Alan Olsen
2001-02-15 20:42 ` dave
2001-02-15 21:17 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-02-15 20:43 ` [OTP] " David D.W. Downey
2001-02-15 22:31 ` Bill Wendling
2001-02-15 22:37 ` William T Wilson
2001-02-16 12:45 ` Rik van Riel
2001-02-16 15:10 ` James Sutherland
2001-02-16 16:02 ` Mark Haney
2001-02-16 16:26 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-16 16:30 ` Mark Haney
2001-02-16 19:23 ` David D.W. Downey
2001-02-16 20:18 ` James Sutherland
2001-02-17 0:03 ` Carlos Fernandez Sanz
2001-02-17 0:35 ` Dan Hollis
2001-02-17 0:41 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-17 1:52 ` Dan Hollis
2001-02-17 2:20 ` XOR [ was: Linux stifles innovation... ] David Relson
2001-02-17 2:32 ` Dan Hollis
2001-02-17 8:16 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-17 13:16 ` David Relson
2001-02-17 18:12 ` brian
2001-02-18 2:01 ` Dan Hollis
2001-02-17 9:08 ` Linux stifles innovation James Sutherland
2001-02-17 12:45 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 9:05 ` James Sutherland
2001-02-17 0:04 ` LA Walsh
2001-02-16 9:26 ` Helge Hafting
2001-02-16 9:36 ` James Sutherland
2001-02-16 12:44 ` Helge Hafting
2001-02-16 17:40 ` Joseph Pingenot
2001-02-16 14:25 ` Andrew Scott
2001-02-16 19:48 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-02-16 22:27 ` Dennis
2001-02-16 22:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-17 12:37 ` [LONG RANT] " Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 13:37 ` Russell King
2001-02-17 19:15 ` Henning P . Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 22:03 ` Felix von Leitner
2001-02-18 11:54 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 12:26 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 13:43 ` Russell King
2001-02-18 9:27 ` Russell King
2001-02-17 19:20 ` Jacob Luna Lundberg
2001-02-18 1:06 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-02-18 4:15 ` Ben Ford
2001-02-17 18:48 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-19 9:24 ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2001-02-19 10:53 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-02-19 11:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-19 11:28 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-02-19 11:36 ` David Lang
2001-02-19 12:53 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-02-19 11:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-19 12:57 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-02-19 12:00 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-02-19 12:15 ` Henning P . Schmiedehausen
2001-02-19 16:04 ` Paul Jakma
2001-02-19 16:07 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-19 14:15 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-02-20 23:39 ` Brian May
2001-02-19 11:59 ` Henning P . Schmiedehausen
2001-02-19 13:11 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-02-19 14:07 ` David Howells
2001-02-19 14:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-19 15:53 ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-02-19 16:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-19 19:11 ` The lack of specification (was Re: [LONG RANT] Re: Linux stifles innovation... ) Mikulas Patocka
2001-02-19 20:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-02-19 20:17 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-02-19 21:18 ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-02-19 21:34 ` The lack of specification Russell King
2001-02-19 21:47 ` Eli Carter
2001-02-19 15:58 ` [LONG RANT] Re: Linux stifles innovation Richard B. Johnson
2001-02-19 16:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-19 16:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-19 21:57 ` Keith Owens
2001-02-19 19:27 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-02-17 16:54 ` Francois Romieu
2001-02-16 22:31 ` Dan Hollis
2001-02-16 22:51 ` David D.W. Downey
2001-02-16 22:59 ` Linux stifles innovation... [way O.T.] John Cavan
2001-02-16 23:07 ` Linux stifles innovation Mike A. Harris
2001-02-16 23:45 ` Matt D. Robinson
2001-02-16 23:46 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-02-17 0:15 ` Matt D. Robinson
2001-02-17 0:34 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-02-17 0:54 ` Matt D. Robinson
2001-02-17 1:58 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-02-17 12:41 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 17:51 ` Robert Read
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010217145415.31128A-100000@orion.hq.dalalu.fr>
2001-02-17 18:40 ` Henning P . Schmiedehausen
2001-02-16 23:33 ` Hristo Doichev
2001-02-17 0:01 ` Alan Olsen
2001-02-17 0:10 ` rjd
2001-02-17 1:34 ` Neal Dias
2001-02-17 2:05 ` Augustin Vidovic
2001-02-17 12:46 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 13:13 ` Roeland Th. Jansen
2001-02-21 23:00 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-02-21 23:17 ` Augustin Vidovic
2001-02-22 1:08 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-02-22 0:09 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-22 0:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-23 12:14 ` Wakko Warner
2001-02-23 12:31 ` David Weinehall
2001-02-27 8:48 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-02-17 7:20 ` Mike Pontillo
2001-02-17 16:11 ` [OT]Re: " Gregory Maxwell
2001-02-17 7:39 ` Vesselin Atanasov
2001-02-17 19:08 ` Dennis
2001-02-17 19:08 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-02-17 20:47 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-24 21:11 ` Dennis
2001-02-24 21:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-17 19:11 ` Dennis
2001-02-17 19:36 ` Francois Romieu
2001-02-17 20:48 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-17 19:24 ` Dennis
2001-02-17 19:38 ` Dennis
2001-02-17 20:01 ` Michael Bacarella
2001-02-17 20:11 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-02-17 19:56 ` Linux stifles innovation... [way O.T.] Dennis
2001-02-17 20:28 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-18 11:25 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 15:32 ` John Cavan
2001-02-18 0:13 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-02-17 20:05 ` Linux stifles innovation Dennis
2001-02-17 20:05 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-02-17 20:14 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-18 10:57 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 20:28 ` Alan Olsen
2001-02-21 23:48 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-02-17 22:07 ` Felix von Leitner
2001-02-17 20:08 ` Dennis
2001-02-17 20:22 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-17 20:41 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-02-18 10:59 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 21:02 ` Bob Taylor
2001-02-17 22:38 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-02-17 23:07 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-18 15:20 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-02-18 0:51 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-02-16 17:25 ` Byron Albert
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