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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@innominate.de>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@turbolinux.com>,
	Linux-Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:08:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A9482C9.65A51FEF@innominate.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A9469D8.DB4679DB@innominate.de> <200102220203.f1M237Z20870@webber.adilger.net>

Andreas Dilger wrote:
> 
> Daniel Phillips writes:
> > Easy, with average dirent reclen of 16 bytes each directory leaf block
> > can holds up to 256 entries.  Each index block indexes 512 directory
> > blocks and the root indexes 511 index blocks.  Assuming the leaves are
> > on average 75% full this gives:
> >
> >       (4096 / 16) * 512 * 511 * .75 = 50,233,344
> >
> > I practice I'm getting a little more than 90,000 entries indexed by a
> > *single* index block (the root) so I'm not just making this up.
> 
> I was just doing the math for 1k ext2 filesystems, and the numbers aren't
> nearly as nice.  We get:
> 
>         (1024 / 16) * 127 * .75 = 6096          # 1 level
>         (1024 / 16) * 128 * 127 * .75 = 780288  # 2 levels
> 
> Basically (IMHO) we will not really get any noticable benefit with 1 level
> index blocks for a 1k filesystem - my estimates at least are that the break
> even point is about 5k files.  We _should_ be OK with 780k files in a single
> directory for a while.  Looks like we will need 2-level indexes sooner than
> you would think though.  Note that tests on my workstation showed an average
> filename length of 10 characters (excluding MP3s at 78 characters), so this
> would give 20-byte (or 88-byte) dirents for ext3, reducing the files count
> to 4857 and 621792 (or 78183 and 40029696 for 4k filesystems) at 75% full.

But you are getting over 3/4 million files in one directory on a 1K
blocksize system, and you really shouldn't be using 1K blocks on a
filesystem under that big a load.  Is it just to reduce tail block
fragmentation?  That's what tail merging is for - it does a much better
job than shrinking the block size.

But if you are *determined* to use 1K blocks and have more than 1/2
million files in one directory then I suppose a 3rd level is what you
need.  The uniform-depth tree still works just fine and still doesn't
need to be rebalanced - it's never out of balance.

--
Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-02-22  3:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-02-20 15:04 [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2 Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-20 21:08   ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 21:20     ` Mike Dresser
2001-02-20 22:36       ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 23:08         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21  1:04           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-02-21 16:38             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 22:58       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-20 21:41   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21  0:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21  0:30       ` Alan Cox
2001-02-21  2:35         ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21 23:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:34             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 23:59               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22  0:35             ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21  1:01       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22  2:28       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22  3:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 16:33           ` Chris Mason
2001-02-22 22:30           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 17:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:08   ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:29     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:32       ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:59         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:26           ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:43             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:14         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:32           ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:38             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:50               ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:54                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:07                   ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 23:15                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:42                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 23:52                         ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found]                       ` <3A945081.E6EB78F4@innominate.de>
2001-02-21 23:48                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22  1:22                           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22  1:42                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22  2:03                             ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22  2:41                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22  3:43                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22  4:02                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22  5:19                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 11:31                                       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-02-22 18:20                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22  4:02                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22  7:03                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22  4:03                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 10:35                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-02-23  0:59                                       ` Felix von Leitner
2001-02-22  3:08                               ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2001-02-22  8:06                                 ` [rfc] [LONG] " Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22  7:20                       ` [rfc] " Bill Wendling
2001-02-22  8:34                       ` Rogier Wolff
2001-02-21 23:26                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-22 19:04                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-02-22  6:23 ` [Ext2-devel] " tytso
2001-02-22  7:24   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 13:20     ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:16       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:04         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 20:11           ` tytso
2001-02-24  0:32             ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:40         ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:38 ` Kai Henningsen
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102211740550.1933-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2001-02-21 22:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-02-23  1:52 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23 21:43 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23 22:37   ` Guest section DW
2001-02-24  2:47     ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-24  5:34     ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23  2:49 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23  3:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 12:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-23 18:57   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-23 12:38 Andries.Brouwer

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