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From: Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>
To: Yu Kuai <yukuai1@huaweicloud.com>
Cc: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"open list:BLOCK LAYER" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"yukuai (C)" <yukuai3@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] block: fix ordering between checking BLK_MQ_S_STOPPED and adding requests to hctx->dispatch
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2024 16:35:07 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3AC15539-1B9B-4996-A150-8CAB214159E5@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <786a8d94-884c-8a31-151d-fdc82e1a0a63@huaweicloud.com>



> On Aug 22, 2024, at 11:54, Yu Kuai <yukuai1@huaweicloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 在 2024/08/19 11:49, Muchun Song 写道:
>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 10:28 AM Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Muchun,
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 06:19:19PM +0800, Muchun Song wrote:
>>>> Supposing the following scenario with a virtio_blk driver.
>>>> 
>>>> CPU0                                                                CPU1
>>>> 
>>>> blk_mq_try_issue_directly()
>>>>     __blk_mq_issue_directly()
>>>>         q->mq_ops->queue_rq()
>>>>             virtio_queue_rq()
>>>>                 blk_mq_stop_hw_queue()
>>>>                                                                     virtblk_done()
>>>>     blk_mq_request_bypass_insert()                                      blk_mq_start_stopped_hw_queues()
>>>>         /* Add IO request to dispatch list */   1) store                    blk_mq_start_stopped_hw_queue()
>>>>                                                                                 clear_bit(BLK_MQ_S_STOPPED)                 3) store
>>>>     blk_mq_run_hw_queue()                                                       blk_mq_run_hw_queue()
>>>>         if (!blk_mq_hctx_has_pending())                                             if (!blk_mq_hctx_has_pending())         4) load
>>>>             return                                                                      return
>>>>         blk_mq_sched_dispatch_requests()                                            blk_mq_sched_dispatch_requests()
>>>>             if (blk_mq_hctx_stopped())          2) load                                 if (blk_mq_hctx_stopped())
>>>>                 return                                                                      return
>>>>             __blk_mq_sched_dispatch_requests()                                          __blk_mq_sched_dispatch_requests()
>>>> 
>>>> The full memory barrier should be inserted between 1) and 2), as well as between
>>>> 3) and 4) to make sure that either CPU0 sees BLK_MQ_S_STOPPED is cleared or CPU1
>>>> sees dispatch list or setting of bitmap of software queue. Otherwise, either CPU
>>>> will not re-run the hardware queue causing starvation.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, it is one kind of race which is triggered when adding request into
>>> ->dispatch list after returning STS_RESOURCE. We were troubled by lots of
>>> such kind of race.
>> Yes. I saw the similar fix for BLK_MQ_S_SCHED_RESTART.
>>> 
>>> stopping queue is used in very less drivers, and its only purpose should
>>> be for throttling hw queue in case that low level queue is busy. There seems
>>> more uses of blk_mq_stop_hw_queues(), but most of them should be replaced
>>> with blk_mq_quiesce_queue().
>>> 
>>> IMO, fixing this kind of issue via memory barrier is too tricky to
>>> maintain cause WRITE/READ dependency is very hard to follow. I'd suggest to
>>> make memory barrier solution as the last resort, and we can try to figure
>>> out other easier & more reliable way first.
>> I do agree it is hard to maintain the dependencies in the future. We should
>> propose an easy-maintainable solution. But I thought it is a long-term issue
>> throughout different stable linux distros. Adding a mb is the easy way to fix
>> the problem (the code footprint is really small), so it will be very
>> easy for others
>> to backport those bug fixes to different stable linux distros. Therefore, mb
>> should be an interim solution. Then, we could improve it based on the solution
>> you've proposed below. What do you think?
> 
> I'll agree with Ming, let's figure out a better fix first. Easy to backport to stables is not first consideration.

Hi Kuai,

All right. I usually focus on MM, it seems there is a gap between MM and BLock.
Anyway, let's figure out if there is any good solution.

>> Thanks,
>> Muchun.
>>> 
>>> One idea I thought of is to call blk_mq_request_bypass_insert()(or rename
>>> & export it) before calling blk_mq_stop_hw_queue() in driver, then
>>> return new status code STS_STOP_DISPATCH for notifying blk-mq to stop
>>> dispatch simply.
> 
> New status code look good to me, however, I wonder can we just remove
> the problematic blk_mq_stop_hw_queue(), and replace it by handling the
> new status from block layer?
> 
> - Passing the new status to blk_mq_run_dispatch_ops, and quiesce with

I didn't fully understand your suggestion. Let me ask some questions.
blk_mq_stop_hw_queue() is usually called in blk_mq_ops->queue_rq path,
it'll be easy for this case to pass the new status to blk_mq_run_dispatch_ops.
Should we remove blk_mq_stop_hw_queues() as well? How to pass the new
status to blk_mq_run_dispatch_ops in this case?

> the new status, if no request is inflight, unquiesce immediately;

Actually, I didn't understand how to avoid the above race. May you elaborate
the scenario?

Muhcun,
Thanks.

> - unquiesce is any IO is done afterwards;





  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-26  8:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-11 10:19 [PATCH 0/4] Fix some starvation problems Muchun Song
2024-08-11 10:19 ` [PATCH 1/4] block: fix request starvation when queue is stopped or quiesced Muchun Song
2024-08-16  9:14   ` Ming Lei
2024-08-11 10:19 ` [PATCH 2/4] block: fix ordering between checking BLK_MQ_S_STOPPED and adding requests to hctx->dispatch Muchun Song
2024-08-19  2:27   ` Ming Lei
2024-08-19  3:49     ` Muchun Song
2024-08-22  3:54       ` Yu Kuai
2024-08-26  8:35         ` Muchun Song [this message]
2024-08-26  8:53           ` Yu Kuai
2024-08-27  7:31             ` Muchun Song
2024-08-29  7:57               ` Yu Kuai
2024-08-11 10:19 ` [PATCH 3/4] block: fix missing smp_mb in blk_mq_{delay_}run_hw_queues Muchun Song
2024-08-11 10:19 ` [PATCH 4/4] block: fix fix ordering between checking QUEUE_FLAG_QUIESCED and adding requests to hctx->dispatch Muchun Song
2024-08-23 11:27   ` Ming Lei
2024-08-26  7:06     ` Muchun Song
2024-08-26  7:33       ` Muchun Song
2024-08-26  9:20         ` Ming Lei
2024-08-27  7:24           ` Muchun Song
2024-08-27  8:16             ` Muchun Song
2024-08-29  2:51               ` Ming Lei
2024-08-29  3:40                 ` Muchun Song

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